new block cast in OHIO

[Jim/GA]

Originally Posted by Tod

It really isn't that tough of a casting. I've made vastly tougher ones than this. My first FE block was good, my 351 Clevelands had some chaplet problems, but once I found a better chaplet than the foundries had on hand the problem was solved. I've been in the casting industry for 37 years, so I better be able to make these!

Tod

Well, Tod, I stand corrected and look forward to being able to buy 1 (or 2, or 3...)

This is great news.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Jim/TX/GA

Well, Tod, I stand corrected and look forward to being able to buy 1 (or 2, or 3...)

This is great news.

Hope you didn't take that as a shot at you. It wasn't meant that way.

Tod

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Patrick L.

Oh OK, I thought it was going be 5 bearing block.

5 mains is a small mod to the pattern and a separate machining program. It will be offered later.

Tod

[Dave in MN]

Tod,

I am constantly being asked to provide a stronger engine that is ultra reliable and doesn't leak oil yet keeping as close to stock "A" appearance as possible.

I rebuild both A & B engines and find that the stock A block is still readily available and cheap (I have over 30 good cores and I find my stock increasing each year.) If you build something close to stock, I would likely not be a steady customer. I think for your endeavor to be the most successful, you need to provide what the "A" and the "B" block do not offer. Respectfully to your efforts and the previous posters on this forum I offer the following comments and opinions:


Given the engine build requests I hear, the following is what I could sell for you.

A new improved block with "stock" A appearance at first glance and incorporating:
1) Late B crankshaft design (counterweighted) maintaining B size main & rod journals or if A sized main journals, it will need 5-main bearing design. 5 main bearing design will require considerably larger rod bearing diameters as the width will be reduced.
2) Machined for inserts...including the cam bores
3) Provision for full oil filtration...possibly supply from the slotted oil pump plug on the side of the engine...through a remotely mounted oil filter hidden in the frame rail and then return to a somewhat hidden spot to feed the mains....even better...exit and re-enter between the valve chamber and the flywheel housing for a "hidden" remote oil filtration system.
4) Better intake port design ...like the B...able to produce more power...include 1.7" intake valve sizing in the base engine design. 1.5" exhaust is good
5) Correct the thin casting areas in the B block port design that made them so prone to cracking between the ports and cylinders
6) Adaptable rear main seal area to accept the very reliable Chevy 350 rear seal (Chevy...I know... blasphemy!) FWI: Dan McEachern makes an adapter to mount the 350 Chevy rear seal to the B block with minor machining...works great!
If you do this...I am on board...I can sell them along with original block re-builds all day long!
Thanks for the opportunity to suggest input.
Dave Gerold

ps: The Terry Burtz engine, if it comes to market, will likely be an option for my requirements for a (short-block) to build my performance engines on. His plan to build a fully pressurized A block, including the rods, yet make it look basically stock will be attractive. Price will probably be the determining factor when it comes down to it and that is (or should be) of concern to both of you. (Supply vs Demand) If you both bring your blocks to market, I am sure I will be purchasing some of each to study and test.
I sincerely wish you the best success!

www.fordmodelaengines.com or www.durableperformance.net

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Dave in MN

Tod,

I am constantly being asked to provide a stronger engine that is ultra reliable and doesn't leak oil yet keeping as close to stock "A" appearance as possible.

I rebuild both A & B engines and find that the stock A block is still readily available and cheap...if you build something close to stock, I would likely not be a customer. I think for your endeavor to be the most successful, you need to provide what the "A" and the "B" block do not offer. Respectfully to your efforts and the previous posters on this forum I offer the following comments and opinions:


Given the engine build requests I hear, the following is what I could sell for you.

A new improved block with "stock" A appearance at first glance incorporating:
1) Late B crankshaft design (counterweighted) maintaining B size rod journals
2) Machined for inserts...including the cam bores
3) Provision for full oil filtration...possibly supply from the slotted oil pump plug on the side of the engine...through a remotely mounted oil filter hidden in the frame rail and then return to a somewhat hidden spot to feed the mains....even better...exit and re-enter between the valve chamber and the flywheel housing for a "hidden" remote oil filtration system.
4) Better intake port design ...like the B...able to produce more power...include 1.7" intake valve sizing in the base engine design. 1.5" exhaust is good
5) Correct the thin casting areas in the B block port design that made them so prone to cracking between the ports and cylinders
6) Adaptable rear main seal area to accept the very reliable Chevy 350 rear seal (Chevy...I know... blasphemy!) FWI: Dan McEachern makes an adapter to mount the 350 Chevy rear seal to the B block with minor machining...works great!
If you do this...I am on board...I can sell them along with original block re-builds all day long!
Thanks for the opportunity to suggest input.
Dave Gerold


www.fordmodelaengines.com or www.durableperformance.net

Dave,

I appreciate your input, and other discussions have basically concluded the same things. I don't see any problem getting you the product you ask for.

Tod

[Tod]

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The Youtube sample pour:

http://youtu.be/KMYwpHBElMs

Please read my opening comments about the pour.

Tod

[Franchise_24]

That was awesome Tod, thanks for the great video!!

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by Tod

The Youtube sample pour:

http://youtu.be/KMYwpHBElMs

Please read my opening comments about the pour.

Tod

WOW ! Thanks for sharing what most would never get to share/see !
Can you tell us basically, what difference between your block metal formula and Fords ?
Two things come to mind; WHAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE FLOW over fords B design; and 1/4" deck thickness...with your metal , is that ENOUGH to prevent cracking that Ford stock blocks commonly have ?

[WTSHNN]

Can I just say....

The accidental soundtrack is awesome when you take the songs in the context of the video...

Starts with "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" by U2

Goes into "Feels like the First Time" by Foreigner right as they start to pour

Then, as you note, "Black Dog" by Zep.

Just something this music nerd noted and smirked about.
-Tim

[Tod]

Originally Posted by WTSHNN

Can I just say....

The accidental soundtrack is awesome when you take the songs in the context of the video...

Starts with "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" by U2

Goes into "Feels like the First Time" by Foreigner right as they start to pour

Then, as you note, "Black Dog" by Zep.

Just something this music nerd noted and smirked about.
-Tim

Yeah, I noticed that as I was putting it together. Hard to miss. I thought about noting it every time, but the "flamin' heart..." while the mold is burning was just perfect. Glad I'm not the only one to hear it.

Tod

[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by Dave in MN

Tod,

I am constantly being asked to provide a stronger engine that is ultra reliable and doesn't leak oil yet keeping as close to stock "A" appearance as possible.

I rebuild both A & B engines and find that the stock A block is still readily available and cheap (I have over 30 good cores and I find my stock increasing each year.) If you build something close to stock, I would likely not be a steady customer. I think for your endeavor to be the most successful, you need to provide what the "A" and the "B" block do not offer. Respectfully to your efforts and the previous posters on this forum I offer the following comments and opinions:


Given the engine build requests I hear, the following is what I could sell for you.

A new improved block with "stock" A appearance at first glance and incorporating:
1) Late B crankshaft design (counterweighted) maintaining B size main & rod journals
2) Machined for inserts...including the cam bores
3) Provision for full oil filtration...possibly supply from the slotted oil pump plug on the side of the engine...through a remotely mounted oil filter hidden in the frame rail and then return to a somewhat hidden spot to feed the mains....even better...exit and re-enter between the valve chamber and the flywheel housing for a "hidden" remote oil filtration system.
4) Better intake port design ...like the B...able to produce more power...include 1.7" intake valve sizing in the base engine design. 1.5" exhaust is good
5) Correct the thin casting areas in the B block port design that made them so prone to cracking between the ports and cylinders
6) Adaptable rear main seal area to accept the very reliable Chevy 350 rear seal (Chevy...I know... blasphemy!) FWI: Dan McEachern makes an adapter to mount the 350 Chevy rear seal to the B block with minor machining...works great!
If you do this...I am on board...I can sell them along with original block re-builds all day long!
Thanks for the opportunity to suggest input.
Dave Gerold


www.fordmodelaengines.com or www.durableperformance.net

Great input!!!!!! Exactly what I was thinking.

Though I still want an aluminum block!!!!

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[Tod]

I will only be offering updates and discussion from now on by PMs, the HAMB, and the new email account I have set up for this project, [email protected].

Tod

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by Tod

I will only be offering updates and discussion from now on by PMs, the HAMB, and the new email account I have set up for this project, [email protected].

Tod

tod unfortunately thats a smart move
thanks for the video
good luck

[t-head]

Originally Posted by Tod

I will only be offering updates and discussion from now on by PMs, the HAMB, and the new email account I have set up for this project, [email protected].

Tod

Tod, Good luck!! Hope you get it all worked out and get good non-porous castings.

Having worked on two block casting and machining projects, a Duesenberg and Packard block in the past, porosity was the biggest problem, but we were finally able to overcome it.

[Franchise_24]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

tod unfortunately thats a smart move
thanks for the video
good luck

I agree with you Mitch, but in the same token I think it's unfortunate that he has to even go that route and feels that he can't talk about it openly here.

[Rowdy]

My thoughts also about the cam bearings, crank and main bearings especially. Too bad this and the Burlington crank production do not overlap time wise. Hoping that afew Burlington cranks are still left on a shelf somewhere when I am able to get back to work on the Delivery Sedan.

[Purdy Swoft]

Originally Posted by Franchise_24

I agree with you Mitch, but in the same token I think it's unfortunate that he has to even go that route and feels that he can't talk about it openly here.

I also agree .its obvious where the problem lies !!! Who could blame Tod, We've seen this happen before, same culprets.

[Rowdy]

Having also been attacked publicly and privately this is a wise move to deal with those that throw stones in a glass house. Rod

[zzlegend]

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

I also agree .its obvious where the problem lies !!! Who could blame Tod, We've seen this happen before, same culprets.

Originally Posted by Rowdy

Having also been attacked publicly and privately this is a wise move to deal with those that throw stones in a glass house. Rod

Yep, I agree with both of you. Its happened to me to. Good luck to Tod.

[Mike V. Florida]

Did I miss something? Where were the attacks? There are three threads going on about this exact same topic. Three different places to go to read about what is happening.

It started on HAMB and he is bringing it back there, I read nothing into it except he only wants to follow one thread. Smart move, easier to keep all informed and harder to miss something. This is a great and needed part for the hobby. WAY TO GO TOD!