The Ford Barn

updraught · 08-06-2025, 07:28 AM

Made by the same guy as the Miller video. Seems well researched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWVQL-02hoI

Y-Blockhead · 08-06-2025, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by updraught

Made by the same guy as the Miller video. Seems well researched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWVQL-02hoI

Thanks for sharing. I am a fan of Brian Lohnes' youtube videos. Very informative.

nkaminar · 08-06-2025, 11:17 AM

Thanks. Interesting video. To put things in perceptive, 200 horsepower from a 1,500 cc engine would be about 650 horsepower out of a Model A engine. If I did my math correctly, a Model A engine is a little over 3.3 liters.

Synchro909 · 08-06-2025, 06:17 PM

I make it 440 hp from a Model A engine. 200 hp from 1,500 cc is 0.1333 hp per cc. The Model A engine is, as you say, 3,300 cc. 0.1333 X 3,300=440hp.
I doubt even a new Burtz would do that, let alone an original Model A engine. 133 hp per litre is one HOT engine. An original Model A engine gives 12.1 hp per litre.

nkaminar · 08-07-2025, 05:22 AM

OK, I stand corrected. Thanks. 440 horsepower would chew up the Model A transmission and spit gears out the side of the case. Ditto the rear end.

updraught · 08-07-2025, 07:58 AM

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Most Holdens here were 6 cyl. Starting with the 138 and ending with the 202 ci or 3.3 litre. They were tough, with a seven bearing crank shaft, but not much breathing from the head.
A friend of mine, when i was about 18, was from a farm and going to uni and stock car racing on the weekend. He was a bad influence. Like, very bad. I ended up building eight engines trying to replicate his ability to modify heads. Never got close. We did have some good midnight races. He became the state champion later on.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/overste...eres-why-66897
The 202 was shoehorned into what was a UK Vauxhall, by local GMH engineers, and sent racing to great success. Against the Ford Falcon GTHOs V8's which were considered to be the fastest four door sedans in the world at the time.
About 300 odd hp, I think is considered fairly good for the time, and 400 in more recent times.

ModelA29 · 08-08-2025, 11:32 AM

GM was first to offer a street engine with 1 hp per cubic inch in their 283 with fuel injection.
Put a good OHC head and turbo or blower on a Burtz and I think you could produce 450+ hp. You won't get it using the stock A intake/exhaust ports. I also think you can't get enough lift out of a cam that will fit through the stock cam journal size.

Today most NA race engines are 2-2.5 hp per cuin. My 310" Cleveland is 650 hp with a single 4 bbl.

Ya gotta love a guy with a dyno in his backyard.
400 hp B engine naturally aspirated - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejbsUzmVI0
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dswKW6g6bo

08-06-2025, 07:28 AM	#1
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 2,143	OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump Made by the same guy as the Miller video. Seems well researched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWVQL-02hoI

08-06-2025, 11:17 AM	#3
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 5,855	Re: OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump Thanks. Interesting video. To put things in perceptive, 200 horsepower from a 1,500 cc engine would be about 650 horsepower out of a Model A engine. If I did my math correctly, a Model A engine is a little over 3.3 liters. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

08-06-2025, 06:17 PM	#4
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,043	Re: OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump I make it 440 hp from a Model A engine. 200 hp from 1,500 cc is 0.1333 hp per cc. The Model A engine is, as you say, 3,300 cc. 0.1333 X 3,300=440hp. I doubt even a new Burtz would do that, let alone an original Model A engine. 133 hp per litre is one HOT engine. An original Model A engine gives 12.1 hp per litre. __________________ I sometimes wonder what happened to the people who asked me for directions. Even at my age, I still like to look at a young, attractive woman but I can't really remember why.

08-07-2025, 05:22 AM	#5
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 5,855	Re: OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump OK, I stand corrected. Thanks. 440 horsepower would chew up the Model A transmission and spit gears out the side of the case. Ditto the rear end. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

08-07-2025, 07:58 AM	#6
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 2,143	Re: OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Most Holdens here were 6 cyl. Starting with the 138 and ending with the 202 ci or 3.3 litre. They were tough, with a seven bearing crank shaft, but not much breathing from the head. A friend of mine, when i was about 18, was from a farm and going to uni and stock car racing on the weekend. He was a bad influence. Like, very bad. I ended up building eight engines trying to replicate his ability to modify heads. Never got close. We did have some good midnight races. He became the state champion later on. https://www.carsguide.com.au/overste...eres-why-66897 The 202 was shoehorned into what was a UK Vauxhall, by local GMH engineers, and sent racing to great success. Against the Ford Falcon GTHOs V8's which were considered to be the fastest four door sedans in the world at the time. About 300 odd hp, I think is considered fairly good for the time, and 400 in more recent times.

08-08-2025, 11:32 AM	#7
ModelA29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,152	Re: OT: The forklift company that went racing with a water pump GM was first to offer a street engine with 1 hp per cubic inch in their 283 with fuel injection. Put a good OHC head and turbo or blower on a Burtz and I think you could produce 450+ hp. You won't get it using the stock A intake/exhaust ports. I also think you can't get enough lift out of a cam that will fit through the stock cam journal size. Today most NA race engines are 2-2.5 hp per cuin. My 310" Cleveland is 650 hp with a single 4 bbl. Ya gotta love a guy with a dyno in his backyard. 400 hp B engine naturally aspirated - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejbsUzmVI0 part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dswKW6g6bo