60HP Project engine photos

[DavidG]

Lawson,


You state repeatedly that you want the end result to be 100% correct. Given that, Mike's (Kube's) comment should be taken seriously. Prior to WWII no Ford carburetors or fuel pumps had a gold anodized finish. (You can rid your carburetor of it with some metal prep.)

[19Fordy]

Lawson, CONGRATULATIONS on the great progress you have made building your engine exactly correct. You have the patience of a toothache! Keep "chewing" your way forward.

[Fred A]

A little late to the show, but isn't that Chandler Groves/Holley/Ford carb from a later engine with crank mounted fan? Hope it is at least a 92. As a kid my dad was always bringing home V8-60s for his midget race friends. All the 60s I've seen had an 81 Stromberg when this early. Wadup? Fred A

[Lawson Cox]

Originally Posted by Fred A

A little late to the show, but isn't that Chandler Groves/Holley/Ford carb from a later engine with crank mounted fan? Hope it is at least a 92. As a kid my dad was always bringing home V8-60s for his midget race friends. All the 60s I've seen had an 81 Stromberg when this early. Wadup? Fred A

Fred, the carburetor is exactly correct. Both Holly and Ford built them. This is a Ford and it has both numbers, 81 & 92. Donated by a great barner and refurbished by another. Several other great guys have made many valuable donations. Their contributions to the project have been wonderful and greatly appreciated. The project wouldn't be as far along without their donations and the help of many other Ford enthusiasts.

[Fred A]

Exactly is a pretty brave word when it comes to the little known evolution of the V8-60. I do see indication that in 1941 you could for $7.00, buy a Carburetor, 922A9510. Those carbs were commonly called 92s, and had the size labeled as 81. Chassis Parts and Price Lists the Year as '39-'40. They are believed to be used on cars with crankshaft mounted fans. Believed is not exactly. Ford, as we have come to expect, used remaining parts in the pipeline, most often in commercial and cheaper models. That your engine block has the earlier, rear mounted oil breather, it is likely that it is part of an earlier batch of iron sided from 1938. It also has the short crankshaft of the earlier production. I've seen these blocks in 1939 standard cars as they had the generator mounted fans as you would like to find to be exactly. Deluxe cars, if V8-60 equipped likely would have been built with the long crankshafts and fans. As to the Chandler Groves design 92s, it is expected by me, to be the service replacement for the V8-60. As to the donated carb, the likely authentic Stromberg, likely labeled 52/81, likely would be valued at least three times that of the later Chandler Groves design 92s. None of the above is exactly as the documented trail of evidence and the anecdotal are far from being available. I'm no Richard Willim, as such have no reputation to build on and have recently abandoned my 60HP projects for lack of correct parts to tackle such in a '40. Hope you can achieve the exactly you strive for. Good Luck: Fred A

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Looking good Lawson! Let's fire that baby up!! 😉😉

[Lawson Cox]

Thanks John. I'm at the ready for a display stand but waiting for the go ahead from Josh Conrad at the V8 Museum who says they'll foot the bill on the stand.

[Terry,OH]

Very nice, looks like a lot of work went into the restoration.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Fred A

Exactly is a pretty brave word when it comes to the little known evolution of the V8-60. I do see indication that in 1941 you could for $7.00, buy a Carburetor, 922A9510. Those carbs were commonly called 92s, and had the size labeled as 81. Chassis Parts and Price Lists the Year as '39-'40. They are believed to be used on cars with crankshaft mounted fans. Believed is not exactly. Ford, as we have come to expect, used remaining parts in the pipeline, most often in commercial and cheaper models. That your engine block has the earlier, rear mounted oil breather, it is likely that it is part of an earlier batch of iron sided from 1938. It also has the short crankshaft of the earlier production. I've seen these blocks in 1939 standard cars as they had the generator mounted fans as you would like to find to be exactly. Deluxe cars, if V8-60 equipped likely would have been built with the long crankshafts and fans. As to the Chandler Groves design 92s, it is expected by me, to be the service replacement for the V8-60. As to the donated carb, the likely authentic Stromberg, likely labeled 52/81, likely would be valued at least three times that of the later Chandler Groves design 92s. None of the above is exactly as the documented trail of evidence and the anecdotal are far from being available. I'm no Richard Willim, as such have no reputation to build on and have recently abandoned my 60HP projects for lack of correct parts to tackle such in a '40. Hope you can achieve the exactly you strive for. Good Luck: Fred A

Good morning Fred.

The only two DOCUMENTED carbs that were intended to be installed on this engine are:
The carburetor (922A-9510-A) used on the 60H.P. engines were manufactured by both Ford Motor Company and the Holley Carburetor Company.
Cast upon the left side was “Model 92”.
Also cast upon the left side was “13/16”.
Cast upon the rear side was “81”.

One must always keep in mind that parts books offer service parts, not necessarily, concourse correct parts. That is, parts that were installed upon the assembly line.

[Fred A]

Nothing inconsistent with that Kube. Follow the logic and put it together with what we observe with the evolution of our old Fords. You can put a 92 on your '38 and get away with it but others with some idea about the the old sixties will not see exactly. He really needs a Stromberg. Good Luck: Fred A

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Fred A

Nothing inconsistent with that Kube. Follow the logic and put it together with what we observe with the evolution of our old Fords. You can put a 92 on your '38 and get away with it but others with some idea about the the old sixties will not see exactly. He really needs a Stromberg. Good Luck: Fred A

Sorry Fred, no Stromberg (correctly) on that little engine...

[scicala]

Charlie ny did a great job sprucing up the carb I donated.

Sal

[Lawson Cox]

Originally Posted by scicala

Charlie ny did a great job sprucing up the carb I donated.

Sal

As always. What say you about the finish in the carb? Some say it shouldn't have any sort of costing or tinting. I for one do not know.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

As always. What say you about the finish in the carb? Some say it shouldn't have any sort of costing or tinting. I for one do not know.

Methinks you do know.
Both Dave Rehor and I have told you the fact of this matter. Whether or not you chose to accept the fact, well, that's entirely up to you.
Keep in mind, both of us have studied this stuff for decades. Neither of us are simply talking opinion. We speak from knowledge gained through research.

[Lawson Cox]

Thanks to both of you very knowledgeable people. I'll go with your collective knowledge and see what can be done about removing the tint. I'll contact Charlie and see of he can remove it. Lawson.

[DavidG]

Lawson,


I sent you a P.M. on how to remove the yellow finish, but you still may wish to send it to Charlie for him to remove it.

[V8COOPMAN]

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This guy would likely have the correct finish in a rattle can!

Coop

[DavidG]

The correct finish is no finish, just the bare zinc die castings.

[tubman]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

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This guy would likely have the correct finish in a rattle can!

Coop

LMAO!

Why anyone trying to run a successful business would have "Caveat Emptor" permanently painted on his window is beyond me.

[Lawson Cox]

Well, 'ya gotta know Ken, Coop. LMAO