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v8fordman · 03-26-2017, 08:30 PM

Can anyone help me identity what this is or what it fits?

160B · 03-26-2017, 08:34 PM

Spare tire lock for Model A Ford. Accessory item, two different manufacturers.

v8fordman · 03-26-2017, 09:08 PM

Is there a way to identify who made it? Does anyone know who could make a key for it? I would be interested in putting it on my car since I found it at my dad's house after he passed away.

Brian SATX · 03-26-2017, 09:32 PM

Look on the band itself and the lock. It should have a name. Fox was one and I cannot remember the other.
Edit- Oaks is the other company
Any good locksmith can make a key for you.

You will need the special lug nut for it. Hopefully that is with it.
A-13805AR is for 21 inch wheels
A-13508-C is for 19

Mike V. Florida · 03-27-2017, 12:23 AM

It appears to be a 1930 unit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian SATX

You will need the special lug nut for it. Hopefully that is with it.

Bratton's part number 25580

This is from the Restoration Guidelines (a book every owner should have),

v8fordman · 03-29-2017, 04:50 PM

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Found out this one is a Fox. Still would like to know where I can get a key made if anyone has a suggestion.

SeaSlugs · 03-29-2017, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8fordman

Found out this one is a Fox. Still would like to know where I can get a key made if anyone has a suggestion.

Go to a lock smith - bring it with you and see what they say. Shouldnt be that hard to get a key made if they truley are a locksmith and not just a key cutter.

Doug Clayton · 03-29-2017, 08:47 PM

Most lock cylinders are frozen due to the pot metal swelling. Before, going to far, try turning (in both directions) the lock cylinder with a small screwdriver. Don't twist very hard as it will break. If you get slight movement a locksmith can make a key. If no movement then a pin on the side of the lock must be removed and the lock cylinder and retaining sleeve taken out. Then it MAYBE repaired. Lock cylinders are out there but difficult to find.
What is the part number on the strap? These are marked with the part number A-18305 with or without a suffix. Suffixes include A, A1, A2, B, C, D and E. This important if you want one to fit your car.

barnstuf · 03-29-2017, 08:48 PM

The correct Ford part numbers are 28-29 A18305-AR and 30-31 A-18305-C and it has not been stated, although obvious to most, that it is for the rear mounted spare only.

Mike V. Florida · 03-31-2017, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Clayton

Most lock cylinders are frozen due to the pot metal swelling. Before, going to far, try turning (in both directions) the lock cylinder with a small screwdriver. Don't twist very hard as it will break..

DO NOT USE WD40 to loosen it.

Chris Haynes · 03-31-2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

DO NOT USE WD40 to loosen it.

Why not? The WD40 can always be washed out. With that being said I would soak it in Kroil for a couple days.

SeaSlugs · 03-31-2017, 06:55 PM

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1427486

read and specifically the chart in freeing things up Chris.

WD-40 is really bad for locks as it doesnt penetrate like a legit penetrating oil should, leaves a sticky residue after a while, and gums up locks something fierce.

I would do the atf and acetone mix in a small cup and let it soak for a few days. (acetone eats alot of plastics and especially foam so put it in something acetone proof)

BILL WILLIAMSON · 03-31-2017, 07:16 PM

Minerva came with a band lock, but it left an UGLY crease in the Firestone Deluxe 19" tires.
Bill W.

v8fordman · 03-31-2017, 08:31 PM

Cleaned the back side today and it is a A-18305-C. Has anyone ever used Gibbs Brand to loosen parts like this? I may try the ATF/Acetone or the Gibbs.

There is no locksmith around here that I would trust, so if anyone has a suggestion, I would send it to them.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-31-2017, 08:47 PM

I've used Gibbs with pretty good luck. I've also used Kroil, as it's sold 5 miles down the road, but I can't find Gibbs for the past several years. I have a Maytag soaking with ATF/Acetone, but haven't tried it for a long time.

ken will · 04-01-2017, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8fordman

Cleaned the back side today and it is a A-18305-C. Has anyone ever used Gibbs Brand to loosen parts like this? I may try the ATF/Acetone or the Gibbs.

There is no locksmith around here that I would trust, so if anyone has a suggestion, I would send it to them.

Your local Police station might be able to suggest a locksmith.

Mike V. Florida · 04-01-2017, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Haynes

Why not?

Do a search on Pot metal and WD40, there are too many stories about the metal failing to take a chance when there are so many other choices.

03-26-2017, 08:34 PM	#2
160B Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Port Orchard, WA Posts: 1,498	Re: Locking Spare Identity Spare tire lock for Model A Ford. Accessory item, two different manufacturers. __________________ 1931 160B & 1931 68B If you don't have time to do it right the 1st time, how do you have time to do it the 2nd time?

03-26-2017, 09:08 PM	#3
v8fordman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, NC Posts: 1,014	Re: Locking Spare Identity Is there a way to identify who made it? Does anyone know who could make a key for it? I would be interested in putting it on my car since I found it at my dad's house after he passed away.

03-26-2017, 09:32 PM	#4
Brian SATX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 875	Re: Locking Spare Identity Look on the band itself and the lock. It should have a name. Fox was one and I cannot remember the other. Edit- Oaks is the other company Any good locksmith can make a key for you. You will need the special lug nut for it. Hopefully that is with it. A-13805AR is for 21 inch wheels A-13508-C is for 19 __________________ Brian SATX Last edited by Brian SATX; 03-27-2017 at 06:34 AM.

03-29-2017, 04:50 PM	#6
v8fordman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, NC Posts: 1,014	Re: Locking Spare Identity Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Found out this one is a Fox. Still would like to know where I can get a key made if anyone has a suggestion.

03-29-2017, 08:47 PM	#8
Doug Clayton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 132	Re: Locking Spare Identity Most lock cylinders are frozen due to the pot metal swelling. Before, going to far, try turning (in both directions) the lock cylinder with a small screwdriver. Don't twist very hard as it will break. If you get slight movement a locksmith can make a key. If no movement then a pin on the side of the lock must be removed and the lock cylinder and retaining sleeve taken out. Then it MAYBE repaired. Lock cylinders are out there but difficult to find. What is the part number on the strap? These are marked with the part number A-18305 with or without a suffix. Suffixes include A, A1, A2, B, C, D and E. This important if you want one to fit your car.

03-29-2017, 08:48 PM	#9
barnstuf Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 2,840	Re: Locking Spare Identity The correct Ford part numbers are 28-29 A18305-AR and 30-31 A-18305-C and it has not been stated, although obvious to most, that it is for the rear mounted spare only.

03-31-2017, 06:55 PM	#12
SeaSlugs Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 3,968	Re: Locking Spare Identity https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1427486 read and specifically the chart in freeing things up Chris. WD-40 is really bad for locks as it doesnt penetrate like a legit penetrating oil should, leaves a sticky residue after a while, and gums up locks something fierce. I would do the atf and acetone mix in a small cup and let it soak for a few days. (acetone eats alot of plastics and especially foam so put it in something acetone proof) __________________ 1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!

03-31-2017, 07:16 PM	#13
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Locking Spare Identity Minerva came with a band lock, but it left an UGLY crease in the Firestone Deluxe 19" tires. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

03-31-2017, 08:31 PM	#14
v8fordman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, NC Posts: 1,014	Re: Locking Spare Identity Cleaned the back side today and it is a A-18305-C. Has anyone ever used Gibbs Brand to loosen parts like this? I may try the ATF/Acetone or the Gibbs. There is no locksmith around here that I would trust, so if anyone has a suggestion, I would send it to them.

03-31-2017, 08:47 PM	#15
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Locking Spare Identity I've used Gibbs with pretty good luck. I've also used Kroil, as it's sold 5 miles down the road, but I can't find Gibbs for the past several years. I have a Maytag soaking with ATF/Acetone, but haven't tried it for a long time.

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