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howet · 03-01-2013, 06:07 PM

I need both left and right side rear quarter panels for an early (low hood) 1923 Touring Car. I believe the part numbers (From McCalley Parts List) are 8156B and 8157B.

I don't believe anyone is stamping these body parts new.

Tom Howe
Flying W Ranch
Hotchkiss, Colorado

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Mike Peters · 03-02-2013, 07:35 PM

I looked at a Howell's sheetmetal catalog and they list the side panel for the touring from the rear door forward, but the illustration shows the entire side. Very confusing. I assume you have contacted Howell's about this? Basically, if Howell's doesn't make it, then nobody does. A word about Howell's: if they don't have the part in stock, it could take forever for them to make it. Their customer service department is nonexistent. I ordered a rear seat frame for a '15 touring on Jan.4, 2013, and it had not arrived by mid Feb, so I had to cancel and just patch up my old one. Repeated phone calls don't work. On the other hand, their quality is very good. The rear panel I did receive from Howell's fit perfectly.

southfork · 03-05-2013, 06:06 PM

Someone would know better than me, but aren't the rear panels are the same up through the 1925 models? I know the cowl panels changed in 1923, but didn't think that the rear panels did.

howet · 03-05-2013, 07:37 PM

Thanks guys - no I have not contacted Howells, but I will.

And yes - I believe the three piece rear Touring Car body panels are the same (or very near the same) from 1922 through 1925. But I'm a real neophyte at this game - the '23 I'm restoring (or attempting to restore) is my first Model T project and I don't have other cars in the area to examine.

I'm considering traveling to Chickasha, OK later this month if I cannot find these panels prior. That's a lot of expense that could be directed towards shipping costs instead. These are the last two body parts I need to complete the project!

Can anyone give me a rough probability of finding these kinds of body panels at Chickasha??

Tom Howe
Flying W Ranch
Hotchkiss, Colorado

dumb person · 03-05-2013, 08:08 PM

i have some rough ones i could give basic measurements of.

howet · 03-06-2013, 11:03 AM

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I appreciate the offer but I hope I don't have to fabricate these myself. If the ones that are available from Model T Haven are not salvageable I guess I could use them as a form to make some fiberglass replacements - but I haven't done any fiberglass work for about 50 years - I suspect things have changed in that world...

I'm really hoping there's a set of these around somewhere. I'd rather not have to drive the 800 miles to Chickasha only to find none there either...

Boy - Am I having fun yet or what??

redmodelt · 03-06-2013, 11:22 AM

Here's one. Contact him, I was thinking he had two.
MarkG
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-1921-19...sories&vxp=mtr

jackdaron · 03-06-2013, 05:41 PM

I have the rear seat section of a 24-25 touring,a little rough,but cheap .You'll have to pick it up.I will not ship. I am in Indy.

Dick Webber · 03-06-2013, 05:46 PM

I also have a 23 low radiator touring. My panels were really badly rust perforated. I cleaned them up as best I could and used fiberglass cloth and resin on both sides, ground smooth, skimmed with bondo. Has done well for 30 years now.

tombia · 03-07-2013, 11:25 AM

Did a 23 roadster body several years ago, Used por15 on the inside with fiberglass mat, Worked perfect, The quarters were like swiss cheese, was solid when I finished then used tiger hair on outside, really turned out well.

howet · 03-08-2013, 11:08 AM

Wow! good idea(s) guys - I may consider the fiberglass solution.

Jackdaron - two bad I didn't know about your back seat section a couple years ago. I'm down to the point where I only need the two rear quarter panels now. And... Indy and western Colorado are a long ways apart.......

howet · 03-17-2013, 09:25 AM

Thanks to all for the help.

Just when I thought I was in big trouble finding these, I located them just down the road from me at Kyle Augustine's in Olathe, Colorado. He has a lot of parts so if you have trouble locating something you can try him at www.kylesmodelt.com.

Tom Howe - Flying W Ranch - Hotchkiss, Colorado

03-02-2013, 07:35 PM	#2
Mike Peters Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: South East Wisconsin Posts: 1,279	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car I looked at a Howell's sheetmetal catalog and they list the side panel for the touring from the rear door forward, but the illustration shows the entire side. Very confusing. I assume you have contacted Howell's about this? Basically, if Howell's doesn't make it, then nobody does. A word about Howell's: if they don't have the part in stock, it could take forever for them to make it. Their customer service department is nonexistent. I ordered a rear seat frame for a '15 touring on Jan.4, 2013, and it had not arrived by mid Feb, so I had to cancel and just patch up my old one. Repeated phone calls don't work. On the other hand, their quality is very good. The rear panel I did receive from Howell's fit perfectly.

03-05-2013, 06:06 PM	#3
southfork Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Idaho Posts: 416	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Someone would know better than me, but aren't the rear panels are the same up through the 1925 models? I know the cowl panels changed in 1923, but didn't think that the rear panels did.

03-05-2013, 07:37 PM	#4
howet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Thanks guys - no I have not contacted Howells, but I will. And yes - I believe the three piece rear Touring Car body panels are the same (or very near the same) from 1922 through 1925. But I'm a real neophyte at this game - the '23 I'm restoring (or attempting to restore) is my first Model T project and I don't have other cars in the area to examine. I'm considering traveling to Chickasha, OK later this month if I cannot find these panels prior. That's a lot of expense that could be directed towards shipping costs instead. These are the last two body parts I need to complete the project! Can anyone give me a rough probability of finding these kinds of body panels at Chickasha?? Tom Howe Flying W Ranch Hotchkiss, Colorado

03-05-2013, 08:08 PM	#5
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car i have some rough ones i could give basic measurements of. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

03-06-2013, 11:03 AM	#6
howet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I appreciate the offer but I hope I don't have to fabricate these myself. If the ones that are available from Model T Haven are not salvageable I guess I could use them as a form to make some fiberglass replacements - but I haven't done any fiberglass work for about 50 years - I suspect things have changed in that world... I'm really hoping there's a set of these around somewhere. I'd rather not have to drive the 800 miles to Chickasha only to find none there either... Boy - Am I having fun yet or what??

03-06-2013, 11:22 AM	#7
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,356	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Here's one. Contact him, I was thinking he had two. MarkG http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-1921-19...sories&vxp=mtr

03-06-2013, 05:41 PM	#8
jackdaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brownsburg,In. Posts: 383	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car I have the rear seat section of a 24-25 touring,a little rough,but cheap .You'll have to pick it up.I will not ship. I am in Indy.

03-06-2013, 05:46 PM	#9
Dick Webber Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bowling Green KY Posts: 337	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car I also have a 23 low radiator touring. My panels were really badly rust perforated. I cleaned them up as best I could and used fiberglass cloth and resin on both sides, ground smooth, skimmed with bondo. Has done well for 30 years now.

03-07-2013, 11:25 AM	#10
tombia Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Iowa Posts: 93	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Did a 23 roadster body several years ago, Used por15 on the inside with fiberglass mat, Worked perfect, The quarters were like swiss cheese, was solid when I finished then used tiger hair on outside, really turned out well.

03-08-2013, 11:08 AM	#11
howet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Wow! good idea(s) guys - I may consider the fiberglass solution. Jackdaron - two bad I didn't know about your back seat section a couple years ago. I'm down to the point where I only need the two rear quarter panels now. And... Indy and western Colorado are a long ways apart.......

03-17-2013, 09:25 AM	#12
howet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Re: Need Both Rear Quarter Panels for '23 Touring Car Thanks to all for the help. Just when I thought I was in big trouble finding these, I located them just down the road from me at Kyle Augustine's in Olathe, Colorado. He has a lot of parts so if you have trouble locating something you can try him at www.kylesmodelt.com. Tom Howe - Flying W Ranch - Hotchkiss, Colorado