The Ford Barn

Pilotdave · 02-03-2013, 04:49 PM

We want to install rain gutters on our '30 Tudor. However, there is a "bead" along the edge of the roof where the gutter should be installed. Its cross-section is a half circle with a radius of about 1/4". There appears to be some sealant running along the upper edge of the bead to seal it to the rubberized roof.

Does anyone know why this bead would be there and whether we can safely remove it?

Thanks much!

Mitch//pa · 02-03-2013, 04:51 PM

any pics
maybe the roof wood is all rotted where the gutters nail to so someone just siliconed it up

Pilotdave · 02-03-2013, 05:05 PM

I'll take some pix. The bead might be plastic - shiny, fairly uniform in shape, and hard.

Mitch//pa · 02-03-2013, 05:08 PM

sounds like some kind of body side molding maybe

Purdy Swoft · 02-03-2013, 08:58 PM

Is it like this ? This is my 31 tudor before painting and installing the top material and mouldings..

Pilotdave · 02-03-2013, 09:28 PM

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Purdy, this bead appears to be part of the roof. It's mounted where the gutter should be.

Pilotdave · 02-04-2013, 10:48 AM

Here are a pix of the bead. I hope this rings some bells with your 'barners! Thanks much. Dave

Keith True · 02-04-2013, 11:31 AM

That doesn't belong there.Somebody used what they had to get by.The gutter goes in place of that.Hopefully when you peel it off the gutters cover the nail holes and the edge.That's hide'em welting.

Purdy Swoft · 02-04-2013, 11:59 AM

I agree, it looks like hidem welt to me also.

Pilotdave · 02-04-2013, 12:10 PM

Interesting! Agree it doesn't belong on the sides of the roof - couple of questions:

1. Will removing it cause the roof to leak?
2. Is the bead across the back correct?
3. What is "hidem welt"?

Thanks again!
Dave

Tom Wesenberg · 02-04-2013, 12:19 PM

Hidem welt is folded over on itself after it's nailed down. My 29 Tudor has metal across the rear. Your roof should seal ok with the new metal gutters and some sealer under them.

Mitch//pa · 02-04-2013, 12:34 PM

Open up the hidem and see if you can grab the nails securing it with a tiny electrical dikes. If so pull them out one at a time and then the hidem molding should come off

1931 flamingo · 02-04-2013, 12:37 PM

PM sent.
Paul in CT

Pilotdave · 02-04-2013, 12:45 PM

Thanks for all the tips, guys. I will investigate and report back.

When I looked at a friend's '30 Tudor, it also had the metal strip across the back - another part to acquire!

Dave

Mitch//pa · 02-04-2013, 12:47 PM

i also would like to see a pic of the front where it ends. you will also need one these on each side at the rear in place of the one that is currently there

rear gutter tip A-47303-G part # from lebaron bonney

mot · 02-04-2013, 12:49 PM

you are missing all of the rain gutter
in its place you have some hidum welt
the original gutters are two pieces snapped together
one,
the inner piece has a lot of holes and is nailed to the top
the second,is the actual gutter and is snapped over the inner piece,and held with a screw at the front end ,and a screw and clip a t the rear end
here are some photos of original pieces
the one on the green car has never been off and the removed one is shown up close
tom

ctvpa · 02-04-2013, 12:49 PM

Yes, it looks like 'hide em' welt http://www.mikes-afordable.com/miva/...&Category_Code
This is a welt that has a round edge with a flat area in the center. You tack it on, and then fold the edges over to hide the tacks. Try to find a lose area, and with a soft instrument seperate the center, and look to see if you can see the tacks or staples they used.
As is often done they used a sealant. My concern is that any product to soften the sealant, may soften the top material, past the point of repair.

I would ask myself:
What am I gaining from this? Do I drive in the rain a lot, or is this comedic?
What is the condition of my current top, and I willing to change it for this project?

If you really want to continue, I would plan on replacing the top. This is not a hard or expensive repair, but the top material is easier to use on a warm summer day.
Evaluate the risk / benefit evaluation, and if you proceed, consider changing the top. If you are going to do this much work, why not have a new top also.

My humble opinion

ctvpa · 02-04-2013, 12:53 PM

I would add that I agree with one of the other post's. Try a small area and open the welt and test to see if you can lift it off, but keep my other thoughts in mind.

Barry B./ Ma. · 02-04-2013, 03:49 PM

I was missing a rain gutter on my town sedan and I bought the repro aluminum gutter from Snyders, bent and formed it in place, took it apart , mounted the base, mounted the outside back on with a rubber hammer. A small wood screw on each end and a coat of black enamel finished it.

Pilotdave · 02-04-2013, 04:19 PM

Thanks again. Great information as usual. You guys should write a book!

I will take a picture of the front end of the bead, Mitch.

Thanks for the tips and warnings about removing the hide'm welt. This is all worth rethinking a bit. We want to install the gutters so the car's appearance would be more correct. We have the pre-bent steel gutters from Snyders "in stock" waiting to be painted and installed and would need only a few other parts IF the welts can be removed without damaging the roof. On the other hand, the roof is completely watertight now.....

Ah well, life is a series of choices!

02-03-2013, 04:49 PM	#1
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Rain Gutter Issue We want to install rain gutters on our '30 Tudor. However, there is a "bead" along the edge of the roof where the gutter should be installed. Its cross-section is a half circle with a radius of about 1/4". There appears to be some sealant running along the upper edge of the bead to seal it to the rubberized roof. Does anyone know why this bead would be there and whether we can safely remove it? Thanks much!

02-03-2013, 04:51 PM	#2
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Rain Gutter Issue any pics maybe the roof wood is all rotted where the gutters nail to so someone just siliconed it up

02-03-2013, 05:05 PM	#3
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Re: Rain Gutter Issue I'll take some pix. The bead might be plastic - shiny, fairly uniform in shape, and hard.

02-03-2013, 05:08 PM	#4
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Rain Gutter Issue sounds like some kind of body side molding maybe

02-03-2013, 08:58 PM	#5
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Is it like this ? This is my 31 tudor before painting and installing the top material and mouldings..

02-03-2013, 09:28 PM	#6
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Purdy, this bead appears to be part of the roof. It's mounted where the gutter should be.

02-04-2013, 11:31 AM	#8
Keith True Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Epping N.H. Posts: 3,026	Re: Rain Gutter Issue That doesn't belong there.Somebody used what they had to get by.The gutter goes in place of that.Hopefully when you peel it off the gutters cover the nail holes and the edge.That's hide'em welting.

02-04-2013, 11:59 AM	#9
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Rain Gutter Issue I agree, it looks like hidem welt to me also.

02-04-2013, 12:10 PM	#10
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Interesting! Agree it doesn't belong on the sides of the roof - couple of questions: 1. Will removing it cause the roof to leak? 2. Is the bead across the back correct? 3. What is "hidem welt"? Thanks again! Dave

02-04-2013, 12:19 PM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Hidem welt is folded over on itself after it's nailed down. My 29 Tudor has metal across the rear. Your roof should seal ok with the new metal gutters and some sealer under them.

02-04-2013, 12:34 PM	#12
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Open up the hidem and see if you can grab the nails securing it with a tiny electrical dikes. If so pull them out one at a time and then the hidem molding should come off

02-04-2013, 12:37 PM	#13
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,397	Re: Rain Gutter Issue PM sent. Paul in CT

02-04-2013, 12:45 PM	#14
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Thanks for all the tips, guys. I will investigate and report back. When I looked at a friend's '30 Tudor, it also had the metal strip across the back - another part to acquire! Dave

02-04-2013, 12:47 PM	#15
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Rain Gutter Issue i also would like to see a pic of the front where it ends. you will also need one these on each side at the rear in place of the one that is currently there rear gutter tip A-47303-G part # from lebaron bonney

02-04-2013, 12:49 PM	#17
ctvpa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 479	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Yes, it looks like 'hide em' welt http://www.mikes-afordable.com/miva/...&Category_Code This is a welt that has a round edge with a flat area in the center. You tack it on, and then fold the edges over to hide the tacks. Try to find a lose area, and with a soft instrument seperate the center, and look to see if you can see the tacks or staples they used. As is often done they used a sealant. My concern is that any product to soften the sealant, may soften the top material, past the point of repair. I would ask myself: What am I gaining from this? Do I drive in the rain a lot, or is this comedic? What is the condition of my current top, and I willing to change it for this project? If you really want to continue, I would plan on replacing the top. This is not a hard or expensive repair, but the top material is easier to use on a warm summer day. Evaluate the risk / benefit evaluation, and if you proceed, consider changing the top. If you are going to do this much work, why not have a new top also. My humble opinion

02-04-2013, 12:53 PM	#18
ctvpa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 479	Re: Rain Gutter Issue I would add that I agree with one of the other post's. Try a small area and open the welt and test to see if you can lift it off, but keep my other thoughts in mind.

02-04-2013, 03:49 PM	#19
Barry B./ Ma. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southbridge, Ma. Posts: 1,614	Re: Rain Gutter Issue I was missing a rain gutter on my town sedan and I bought the repro aluminum gutter from Snyders, bent and formed it in place, took it apart , mounted the base, mounted the outside back on with a rubber hammer. A small wood screw on each end and a coat of black enamel finished it.

02-04-2013, 04:19 PM	#20
Pilotdave Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Grafton, MA Posts: 1,230	Re: Rain Gutter Issue Thanks again. Great information as usual. You guys should write a book! I will take a picture of the front end of the bead, Mitch. Thanks for the tips and warnings about removing the hide'm welt. This is all worth rethinking a bit. We want to install the gutters so the car's appearance would be more correct. We have the pre-bent steel gutters from Snyders "in stock" waiting to be painted and installed and would need only a few other parts IF the welts can be removed without damaging the roof. On the other hand, the roof is completely watertight now..... Ah well, life is a series of choices!