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BILL WILLIAMSON · 01-13-2012, 02:16 AM

I learned that screwing the mixture screw in, is not lean, but is RICH!
I learned that external oil line to timing gears is not necessary, as oil is flooded to the gears through the cut away in the front wall of the oil reservoir.
Yes, I've been quiet for awhile as I'm waiting for the inevitable with Pat and humor is in short supply. ---Bill W.

Roadster62 · 01-13-2012, 04:21 AM

Removing hood hinge rods with an electric drill and BP Blaster is one.

roccaas · 01-13-2012, 05:48 AM

Rear brakes are vital. I've been stopping using only the front brakes for a few years, now Benny Bohanon has rebuilt the rears, I installed them very carefully, and balanced the system. WHAT A DIFFERENCE.

Oh, and buy a REAL hub puller, not an "economy" model. It'll cost you more in shoulder cortisone shots!

30ccpickup · 01-13-2012, 06:32 AM

I like how the original 3X sparkplugs come apart for cleaning. The modern mechanics usually do not believe me when I tell them and are amazed when I show them.

Benson · 01-13-2012, 09:29 AM

Re: Damaged Rear Axle Theads
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Have you ever seen axle shafts with the first 3/8 to 1/2 inch of threads all stripped?

I wondered why it is always the first 1/2 inch that is damaged.

One cause besides crossthreading is when someone removes the brake hub/drum assemblies.

1. Using a puller is the best way to remove the hub/drum.

2. The common method does the most damage. People loosen the castle nut a couple of turns and hammer on the nut with a BFH to loosen the hub ... wrong wrong wrong!

When they beat on the "castle" nut the internal threads on the end of the nut are deformed by the hammer blows. Then when they try to install the brake drums the threads on the axle shafts are damaged and sheared off as they screw the nut back on ... as you have seen.

Most damage is in the first 3/8 inch or so as they force the stripped/damaged threads back on and they wonder why the nut goes back on so hard.

If one insists on using this method at least remove the nut first, reverse it and beat on the flat end instead of the "castle" end. This does less damage BUT still deforms the threads on the shaft and nut somewhat.

If you screw a nut on and it goes easily for about 3/8 to 1/2 inch then gets hard to turn ... It would be a good idea to find an undamaged nut!

I wonder how many times someone has dropped an axle nut and it rolled under the bench ... "Oh I have more of those in the can over there" ... they pick out a nut the has the castles all bent and proceed to strip the threads on their axleshaft.

Image if they had just spent $1500 (new axles are about $400 each) to replace both axles and rebuild the rear end?

Also removing a camshaft timing gear by the same hammering method damages the threads on the cam and nut also, even though there is no castle nut the threads still get damaged by the hammering.
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IrishHills · 01-13-2012, 09:36 AM

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I've learned it's not worth what you have in it.

but it's fun.

sidevalve · 01-13-2012, 10:09 AM

Most helpful thing I've learned is joining the Ford Barn.

Clem Clement · 01-13-2012, 10:30 AM

I've learned to depend on the barn for quality help. Clem

28RPU · 01-13-2012, 10:40 AM

I have learned that every time I pick a hobby to enjoy then all the rich kids in town start doing it too and pay more than what stuff is worth. Then I either have to go broke enjoying it or change my hobby. This is kinda said tongue in cheek, but its also true.

Bob-A · 01-13-2012, 10:46 AM

28RPU,

How true! How true!

AMF/Bob-A

Kevin in NJ · 01-13-2012, 10:50 AM

The biggest thing for metal work is to understand that every weld is a shrink point, period. You can not stop the shrink, you can only limit the size of the heat affected zone.
When learning about how to work metal I found the video about shrinking metal opened my eyes the most. It was after that I understood enough to make what I thought was impossible possible.

RcT · 01-13-2012, 10:51 AM

...that simple, well-designed and inexpensive can still be a thing of beauty an endure a very long time.

Crazydaddyo · 01-13-2012, 10:52 AM

Don't eat stuff of the sidewalk. ;]

.

Jason in TX · 01-13-2012, 11:45 AM

Most helpful to me is Marco's timing procedure. Always sharing that with people who don't know why their car has no power and backfires a lot.

JBill · 01-13-2012, 12:02 PM

I'm constantly amazed by how helpful, how generous, and how patient the people on this board are in sharing their absolutely vast knowledge of Model As.

John Duden · 01-13-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishhills

i've learned it's not worth what you have in it.

But it's fun.

amen!

1931 flamingo · 01-13-2012, 12:16 PM

The FordBarn, the information available here (and pictures), along with the wonderful people who contribute freely. There are no "dumb" questions.
Paul in CT

Joop · 01-13-2012, 12:16 PM

I am learning every day more and more about the Model A.
Mostly on this board.
And know that the Model A hobby will go on forever.
Thank "A" lot for teaching me!

roccaas · 01-13-2012, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazydaddyo

Don't eat stuff of the sidewalk. ;]

.

or yellow snow

Modelakid31 · 01-13-2012, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Removing hood hinge rods with an electric drill and BP Blaster is one.

YES but be VERY VERY careful an use the drill at a really low speed... O it will end up like my hood.... Thanks to dad for using it too fast...I told him not too LOL more work for me to fix what was a mint hood.

01-13-2012, 02:16 AM	#1
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I learned that screwing the mixture screw in, is not lean, but is RICH! I learned that external oil line to timing gears is not necessary, as oil is flooded to the gears through the cut away in the front wall of the oil reservoir. Yes, I've been quiet for awhile as I'm waiting for the inevitable with Pat and humor is in short supply. ---Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

01-13-2012, 04:21 AM	#2
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,443	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Removing hood hinge rods with an electric drill and BP Blaster is one. __________________ They don't have to run to be enjoyed. I'm here to enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the cars no matter what they look like. Most of the worlds problems are electrical.

01-13-2012, 05:48 AM	#3
roccaas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 1,300	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Rear brakes are vital. I've been stopping using only the front brakes for a few years, now Benny Bohanon has rebuilt the rears, I installed them very carefully, and balanced the system. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Oh, and buy a REAL hub puller, not an "economy" model. It'll cost you more in shoulder cortisone shots! __________________ 20 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, and Bob Hope. Now we have no Cash, no Jobs, and no Hope...please don't let Kevin Bacon die!

01-13-2012, 06:32 AM	#4
30ccpickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wakarusa, IN Posts: 928	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I like how the original 3X sparkplugs come apart for cleaning. The modern mechanics usually do not believe me when I tell them and are amazed when I show them. __________________ http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles.

01-13-2012, 09:29 AM	#5
Benson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,608	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Re: Damaged Rear Axle Theads ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you ever seen axle shafts with the first 3/8 to 1/2 inch of threads all stripped? I wondered why it is always the first 1/2 inch that is damaged. One cause besides crossthreading is when someone removes the brake hub/drum assemblies. 1. Using a puller is the best way to remove the hub/drum. 2. The common method does the most damage. People loosen the castle nut a couple of turns and hammer on the nut with a BFH to loosen the hub ... wrong wrong wrong! When they beat on the "castle" nut the internal threads on the end of the nut are deformed by the hammer blows. Then when they try to install the brake drums the threads on the axle shafts are damaged and sheared off as they screw the nut back on ... as you have seen. Most damage is in the first 3/8 inch or so as they force the stripped/damaged threads back on and they wonder why the nut goes back on so hard. If one insists on using this method at least remove the nut first, reverse it and beat on the flat end instead of the "castle" end. This does less damage BUT still deforms the threads on the shaft and nut somewhat. If you screw a nut on and it goes easily for about 3/8 to 1/2 inch then gets hard to turn ... It would be a good idea to find an undamaged nut! I wonder how many times someone has dropped an axle nut and it rolled under the bench ... "Oh I have more of those in the can over there" ... they pick out a nut the has the castles all bent and proceed to strip the threads on their axleshaft. Image if they had just spent $1500 (new axles are about $400 each) to replace both axles and rebuild the rear end? Also removing a camshaft timing gear by the same hammering method damages the threads on the cam and nut also, even though there is no castle nut the threads still get damaged by the hammering. __________________ Last edited by Benson; 01-13-2012 at 10:10 AM.

01-13-2012, 09:36 AM	#6
IrishHills Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Brooklyn, Michigan "Home of M.I.S." Posts: 398	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I've learned it's not worth what you have in it. but it's fun.

01-13-2012, 10:09 AM	#7
sidevalve Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: cream ridge, nj Posts: 173	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Most helpful thing I've learned is joining the Ford Barn. __________________ Matt from central Jersey

01-13-2012, 10:30 AM	#8
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,398	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I've learned to depend on the barn for quality help. Clem

01-13-2012, 10:40 AM	#9
28RPU Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South central Tenn Posts: 375	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I have learned that every time I pick a hobby to enjoy then all the rich kids in town start doing it too and pay more than what stuff is worth. Then I either have to go broke enjoying it or change my hobby. This is kinda said tongue in cheek, but its also true.

01-13-2012, 10:46 AM	#10
Bob-A Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central FL, USA Posts: 1,144	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned 28RPU, How true! How true! AMF/Bob-A

01-13-2012, 10:50 AM	#11
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned The biggest thing for metal work is to understand that every weld is a shrink point, period. You can not stop the shrink, you can only limit the size of the heat affected zone. When learning about how to work metal I found the video about shrinking metal opened my eyes the most. It was after that I understood enough to make what I thought was impossible possible.

01-13-2012, 10:51 AM	#12
RcT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 451	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned ...that simple, well-designed and inexpensive can still be a thing of beauty an endure a very long time.

01-13-2012, 10:52 AM	#13
Crazydaddyo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange, Ca. Posts: 197	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Don't eat stuff of the sidewalk. ;] .

01-13-2012, 11:45 AM	#14
Jason in TX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ⓉⒺXⒶⓈ Posts: 2,047	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned Most helpful to me is Marco's timing procedure. Always sharing that with people who don't know why their car has no power and backfires a lot. __________________ -------------- Drive it like you know how to fix it! DMAFC / OILERS CC-MC

01-13-2012, 12:02 PM	#15
JBill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 702	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I'm constantly amazed by how helpful, how generous, and how patient the people on this board are in sharing their absolutely vast knowledge of Model As.

01-13-2012, 12:16 PM	#17
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,393	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned The FordBarn, the information available here (and pictures), along with the wonderful people who contribute freely. There are no "dumb" questions. Paul in CT

01-13-2012, 12:16 PM	#18
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,954	Re: Most helpful or amazing thing you've learned I am learning every day more and more about the Model A. Mostly on this board. And know that the Model A hobby will go on forever. Thank "A" lot for teaching me!