Vin Help - 1947 Mercury Monarch

[47mercury]

Hi all - first post.

I have a 1947 Mercury I am trying to confirm which number is the VIN for registration purposes. There is a plate on the firewall with the word "Code - 032H47-1XXXXX", i have seen some same year units with this plate and the word "Serial" instead of code, and they are registered as this number. This number is also on the frame rail. Also on my frame rail is *799A-1XXXXXX*. I have also seen this one referred to as the vin.

Which of these numbers should be given to the insurer for registration/insurance purposes?

Thanks in advance.

[Zeke3]

Welcome aboard! Use the 799A number that is stamped on the frame for registration purposes, that number should agree with the previous owner’s title. If the transmission is original to the car, that number will be stamped on a pad at the top front of the transmission close to where it attaches to the engine.

[mercman from oz]

Welcome 47Mercury to Ford Barn.
From your description, you call it a 1947 Mercury Monarch.
It has to be either a Mercury or a Monarch, not a Mercury Monarch, as these Canadian Ford Motor Products are different.
The Monarch which was based on the Mercury were sold in Ford Dealers.
The Monarch is unique to Canada.

[47mercury]

Thanks mercman, you are correct. It is a Monarch. Canadian car. I guess its not a Mercury at all.

[RalphG]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

Welcome 47Mercury to Ford Barn.
From your description, you call it a 1947 Mercury Monarch.
It has to be either a Mercury or a Monarch, not a Mercury Monarch, as these Canadian Ford Motor Products are different.
The Monarch which was based on the Mercury were sold in Ford Dealers.
The Monarch is unique to Canada.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was going to jump in but you saved me the trouble. There is a lot of confusion over those names even here in Canada. There was even a book published about it to try and clarify. "Monarch Meteor" by R. Perry Zavitz.
https://oldautos.ca/product/monarch-...-perry-zavitz/

[mercman from oz]

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Monarch - Meteor by R. Perry Zavitz

[mercman from oz]

Canadian Cars 1946-1984 by R. Perry Zavitz

[coolcoupe]

You did not list where you are located in the US or Canada.

[coolcoupe]

Do you any pictures of your 47 Monarch ?

[rotorwrench]

The Monarch cars were for Ford dealers to sell as high end cars. The Mercury dealers had The Meteor cars to sell as low end plus a full line of Mercury pickups and trucks. Canada always did thing differently than the US. You couldn't mix the different Ford of Canada dealerships. I thing Lincoln cars could be sold by either type of dealership but they were the top end cars. It depended on how many dealerships were in a local community.

[47mercury]

Originally Posted by Zeke3

Welcome aboard! Use the 799A number that is stamped on the frame for registration purposes, that number should agree with the previous owner’s title. If the transmission is original to the car, that number will be stamped on a pad at the top front of the transmission close to where it attaches to the engine.

Does yours have a - or a space in between 799A and 1234567 or is it just 799A1234567 on the title?

[47mercury]

I am from Canada. Here is a photo.

Idk if it will let me post image because I don't have 10 post count.

[47mercury]

Originally Posted by coolcoupe

Do you any pictures of your 47 Monarch ?

Posted a photo in an album on my profile. Couldn't figure out how to make it my profile picture.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by 47mercury

I am from Canada. Here is a photo.

Idk if it will let me post image because I don't have 10 post count.

[38 coupe]

That is a neat looking car, welcome to the Ford Barn.
Interesting bit of trivia: the identification numbers used by Ford prior to 1949 are not a VIN, vehicle identification number, but are simply serial numbers. Serial numbers were a predetermined sequence and as engine/transmission units came out of the factory they got stamped with the next number down the sequence. Later the engine/transmission units got installed on the assembly line and the serial number got stamped on the frame. Engine/transmission units got installed in whatever order the assembly lines could get them, not in ascending order. A couple years after your car was made the serial number method got changed to the vehicle identification number method that we are familiar with today, where the ID is created and assigned on the assembly line including information about the vehicle.

[47mercury]

I figured out how to upload an avatar to show a picutre.. lol.

Anyways - do most of your titles use the 799A-1234567 number? If so is there a hyphen or a space between the A and the 1 or should it just be 11 digits no hyphen/space?

I am sure you'll see more of me as I work on the car.

[corvette8n]

Welcome to the barn, lots of good info here.
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm

[Bob C]

I looked at a couple of Ford transmissions I have and they
have a hyphen after the prefix.

[JayChicago]

Re space or hyphen:

I would guess it depends on what your DMV wants. On my title transfer application form, I used a hyphen. When the new title was issued, no hyphen, everything all together. I guess Illinois' computer system, designed for modern VIN's, can't deal with spaces or hyphens.