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GB SISSON · 08-08-2023, 10:34 AM

I have a '47 tonner with a '51 226 H and am running it on an electric pump, but I really prefer a mechanical pump. I have the original mechanical which is leaky. In searching for a kit I find this one at Ecklers which states it is also for the V8. Does that sound correct? Also I have never rebuilt a fuel pump. Is it quite straightforward? I know I can send mine out, but have been in penny pinching mode lately. Does this newfound interchangeability suggest I can buy a V8 pump kit anywhere and it will work? Thanks in advance.
https://www.ecklers.com/fuel-pump-re...ogle&utm_term=

Merc Cruzer · 08-08-2023, 10:53 AM

Just a suggestion:

https://www.then-now-auto.com/produc...fuel-pump-kit/

1952henry · 08-08-2023, 11:08 AM

Yes^^^^

cas3 · 08-08-2023, 11:10 AM

X3 on Then and now. They make their own valves, very nice product

tubman · 08-08-2023, 11:23 AM

Wow! Probably well close to a hundred bucks with tax and shipping. At that price, I'd check with Charlie Scwhendler before I jumped in myself.

GB SISSON · 08-08-2023, 12:18 PM

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That was quick! Thanks all. I just called them and got voicemail that says they only answer their phone on Mondays and Fridays, so I guess I gotta wait. I can do that. Anybody here confirm that their pump that I linked to also fits the H pump? Mine is an AC 5552396

flatford8 · 08-08-2023, 03:15 PM

Gary.....check with Daytona Parts. https://daytonaparts.com/ 386-427-7108.
Mon-Thur. 7am-6pm EST. I’m pretty sure Charlie uses these kits........Mark

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Wow! Probably well close to a hundred bucks with tax and shipping. At that price, I'd check with Charlie Scwhendler before I jumped in myself.

I didn't see this post as I got delayed while typing out my next... Thanks!

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by flatford8

Gary.....check with Daytona Parts. https://daytonaparts.com/ 386-427-7108.
Mon-Thur. 7am-6pm EST. I’m pretty sure Charlie uses these kits........Mark

I don't see any mention of fuel pump kits, just carb, but will call them in the morning. Thank you Mark.

flatford8 · 08-09-2023, 04:06 AM

I’ve never had to find parts for the 226, but 12 years ago I bought a pump from Ecklers for my ‘50 it lasted one year. I got one at my local NAPA and it still works fine. Suppliers parts change but I think I would find something from a different vender…….Mark

Terry,OH · 08-09-2023, 06:44 AM

A leaking pump....where is it leaking from. A rebuild kit may not be able to fix a leak depending upon where the leak is.

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry,OH

A leaking pump....where is it leaking from. A rebuild kit may not be able to fix a leak depending upon where the leak is.

I can't remember where it was leaking from. I will look very carefully for cracks and check surfaces for flat at rebuild time.

1952henry · 08-09-2023, 04:38 PM

Could also check with cowboy John. Much praised on FTE for a kit. No sense sending off carbs and fuel pumps to be rebuilt.

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952henry

Could also check with cowboy John. Much praised on FTE for a kit. No sense sending off carbs and fuel pumps to be rebuilt.

Thanks. Lots of youtube videos on the subject. Looks pretty simple. I tried calling a guy in Upstate NY who lists ethanol resistant USA made kits. His recording said something about taking time off. I found a new pump in an airtex box on my shelf. It had a glass bowl and was V8 style. On the barcode I see a date of 2015 so it isn't ancient. Says 1951-1953 V8. I think it came in a box of parts I came across. Half tempted to see if the parts really interchange as I have a recent pump on the woodie and that's my only V8. Anybody confirm the guts are the same?

38 coupe · 08-09-2023, 08:27 PM

I have learned to lap the split line surfaces on fuel pumps when I put a kit in. You will be surprised at how far from flat the surfaces are. I wet sand with the paper on a very flat surface (I'm lucky to have access to a surface plate my friend has).

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 38 coupe

I have learned to lap the split line surfaces on fuel pumps when I put a kit in. You will be surprised at how far from flat the surfaces are. I wet sand with the paper on a very flat surface (I'm lucky to have access to a surface plate my friend has).

I have a 6" wide belt sander with a 3' platen I use for manifolds, but small stuff I use stick on sandpaper on the 1950's Delta jointer, so that is something I will do.

1952henry · 08-09-2023, 09:52 PM

Original pumps, at least the late V8 AC pumps, had a little “bridge” holding valves into housing. I have seen replacement pumps with valves pressed in. Can’t mix the two. Not sure if airtex have pressed in valves. Be worth a look to see if valves and diaphragm interchange

1952henry · 08-09-2023, 10:01 PM

IMG_0459.jpeg

A WW2 Jeep pump with hand primer and WW2 IHC M-2-4 pump I restored with Then and Now kits. Bodies I chromated and replated steel parts. Kits may be expensive, but fellows I did these for had no complaints

GB SISSON · 08-09-2023, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952henry

Original pumps, at least the late V8 AC pumps, had a little “bridge” holding valves into housing. I have seen replacement pumps with valves pressed in. Can’t mix the two. Not sure if airtex have pressed in valves. Be worth a look to see if valves and diaphragm interchange

The youtube video showed the pressed in ones. I guess they'd have to be the same type. Might be the weekend before I can do some looking inside.

petehoovie · 08-09-2023, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952henry

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A WW2 Jeep pump with hand primer and WW2 IHC M-2-4 pump I restored with Then and Now kits. Bodies I chromated and replated steel parts. Kits may be expensive, but fellows I did these for had no complaints

08-08-2023, 10:34 AM	#1
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 5,195	Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump I have a '47 tonner with a '51 226 H and am running it on an electric pump, but I really prefer a mechanical pump. I have the original mechanical which is leaky. In searching for a kit I find this one at Ecklers which states it is also for the V8. Does that sound correct? Also I have never rebuilt a fuel pump. Is it quite straightforward? I know I can send mine out, but have been in penny pinching mode lately. Does this newfound interchangeability suggest I can buy a V8 pump kit anywhere and it will work? Thanks in advance. https://www.ecklers.com/fuel-pump-re...ogle&utm_term= __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

08-08-2023, 10:53 AM	#2
Merc Cruzer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Conifer, Colorado Posts: 2,435	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Just a suggestion: https://www.then-now-auto.com/produc...fuel-pump-kit/

08-08-2023, 11:08 AM	#3
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,631	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Yes^^^^ __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

08-08-2023, 11:10 AM	#4
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,624	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump X3 on Then and now. They make their own valves, very nice product

08-08-2023, 11:23 AM	#5
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,450	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Wow! Probably well close to a hundred bucks with tax and shipping. At that price, I'd check with Charlie Scwhendler before I jumped in myself.

08-08-2023, 12:18 PM	#6
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 5,195	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) That was quick! Thanks all. I just called them and got voicemail that says they only answer their phone on Mondays and Fridays, so I guess I gotta wait. I can do that. Anybody here confirm that their pump that I linked to also fits the H pump? Mine is an AC 5552396 __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

08-08-2023, 03:15 PM	#7
flatford8 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lyman,ME. Posts: 2,669	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Gary.....check with Daytona Parts. https://daytonaparts.com/ 386-427-7108. Mon-Thur. 7am-6pm EST. I’m pretty sure Charlie uses these kits........Mark __________________ I'm thinkin' about crankin' My ragged ol' truck up and haulin' myself into town. Billy Joe Shaver

08-09-2023, 04:06 AM	#10
flatford8 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lyman,ME. Posts: 2,669	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump I’ve never had to find parts for the 226, but 12 years ago I bought a pump from Ecklers for my ‘50 it lasted one year. I got one at my local NAPA and it still works fine. Suppliers parts change but I think I would find something from a different vender…….Mark __________________ I'm thinkin' about crankin' My ragged ol' truck up and haulin' myself into town. Billy Joe Shaver

08-09-2023, 06:44 AM	#11
Terry,OH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,804	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump A leaking pump....where is it leaking from. A rebuild kit may not be able to fix a leak depending upon where the leak is.

08-09-2023, 04:38 PM	#13
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,631	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Could also check with cowboy John. Much praised on FTE for a kit. No sense sending off carbs and fuel pumps to be rebuilt. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

08-09-2023, 08:27 PM	#15
38 coupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,725	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump I have learned to lap the split line surfaces on fuel pumps when I put a kit in. You will be surprised at how far from flat the surfaces are. I wet sand with the paper on a very flat surface (I'm lucky to have access to a surface plate my friend has).

08-09-2023, 09:52 PM	#17
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,631	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump Original pumps, at least the late V8 AC pumps, had a little “bridge” holding valves into housing. I have seen replacement pumps with valves pressed in. Can’t mix the two. Not sure if airtex have pressed in valves. Be worth a look to see if valves and diaphragm interchange __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

08-09-2023, 10:01 PM	#18
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,631	Re: Rebuilding a '51 226 H fuel pump IMG_0459.jpeg A WW2 Jeep pump with hand primer and WW2 IHC M-2-4 pump I restored with Then and Now kits. Bodies I chromated and replated steel parts. Kits may be expensive, but fellows I did these for had no complaints __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.