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sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 03:07 PM

I am trying to determine what is the correct pin/screw/? for this hole. I don't have my judging standards with me. Thoughts?

Mitch//pa · 07-21-2015, 03:10 PM

whats that a picture of?

d.j. moordigian · 07-21-2015, 03:40 PM

A Cad plated collar with a rivet..

sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 04:29 PM

I've added a photo of the location on the bell housing. The open hole is on the passenger side. I didn't think that that side received a collar.

1931 flamingo · 07-21-2015, 05:56 PM

Mitch and Seth: Looks like throwout brg shaft arm rh side of tranny??
Paul in CT

Mitch//pa · 07-21-2015, 06:22 PM

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Seth.
the shaft for the throw out bearing fork which you pictured the hole should be on the drivers side to accept the lever and pin.. here are some pics...
passenger side.

Mitch//pa · 07-21-2015, 06:22 PM

drivers side

d.j. moordigian · 07-21-2015, 06:36 PM

It has an early-28 clutch release shaft.....for a multi-disc bell housing. The end is long
for a collar with a rivet! You have a single plate bell housing....does this information
help?? Hope you have the correct T/O fork...

Dudley

sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 06:37 PM

Two more images to help in the trouble shoot. The car is an EARLY 29. Thoughts?

Mitch//pa · 07-21-2015, 06:40 PM

here is the pic i took off Seth's web site

sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 06:50 PM

here is a shot of the driver's side (as taken from under the car looking towards the back). It has a pin through it that appears flattened out on the bottom and has a head on the top.

d.j. moordigian · 07-21-2015, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sethkestenbaum

Two more images to help in the trouble shoot. The car is an EARLY 29. Thoughts?

It's the same shafttill mid 29 !!
Wheres the old shaft?......the collar is still on the old one...

sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 07:48 PM

In looking at Mitch's image (passenger side posted 7:22PM) and at some photos of I took of the bellhousing removal months ago, this shaft did not protrude the bellhousing. There was no collar visible on the passenger side.

sethkestenbaum · 07-21-2015, 08:57 PM

WardAZ (and all), from the WardAZ photos I now understand what DJ was getting at. My concern now is that the shaft didnt previously protrude the housing. So the question is "what do I do or need to check next?" While my car is not a points car, I want it to be "correct" and safe. Thoughts? I would hate to have to pull the bell housing if adding a collar is "good enough".

Gary Karr · 07-21-2015, 10:55 PM

If your car is an early '29 with a single disc clutch, you have the wrong clutch release shaft. Yours should be flush on the right side and take the collar with pin on the left side.

d.j. moordigian · 07-22-2015, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Karr

If your car is an early '29 with a single disc clutch, you have the wrong clutch release shaft. Yours should be flush on the right side and take the collar with pin on the left side.

The PPL shows that shaft for "1928 multi" only,...I thought it was carried
over longer. I just don't know..
Also, I don't remember seeing a collar and pin on the left side, at all?

sethkestenbaum · 07-22-2015, 11:25 AM

DJ, I think you are correct (as several of the supply catalogs indicate that some single disc clutch cars in 1929 used the shaft. I'm still figuring out what is correct. I'll probably call around later today to figure this out. It is amazing what you learn when you dig. My concern now is about how "interchangeable" these shafts are. If this longer shaft works the same and has no downside, so be it.

d.j. moordigian · 07-22-2015, 11:58 AM

My thought....

The shaft was changed from a woodruff key and pin to just a pin when they changed
the T/O fork. That change shows up in the Service Bulletins in June of 29, page 351.
Gary is a 28-29 guy and knows them well,...I like to think I'm a 28-29 guy also.
I just question the shaft change(time line) and the collar on the left..

This, I think, would be a question for the JSC,....tho trivial?

sethkestenbaum · 07-22-2015, 04:45 PM

As a follow up, the collar is part #A7616R according to what is reported to be in a parts catalog from the 1930s. I haven't found any new ones... I have found the location of some old ones. I still don't know if the shaft that was in the car when I got it or the shaft installed in the rebuild is correct. Hey, isn't killing 1/2 a day and loosing a night's sleep to figure out the details part of the fun (UGH!). I'm hoping to hear back from the guys at MAFCA.

Tom Wesenberg · 07-22-2015, 09:09 PM

I don't recall ever seeing a single plate clutch shaft use a collar on the right side.

07-21-2015, 03:10 PM	#2
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Correct fastener question with photos whats that a picture of?

07-21-2015, 03:40 PM	#3
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: Correct fastener question with photos A Cad plated collar with a rivet..

07-21-2015, 04:29 PM	#4
sethkestenbaum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 632	Re: Correct fastener question with photos I've added a photo of the location on the bell housing. The open hole is on the passenger side. I didn't think that that side received a collar. __________________ Seth Kestenbaum www.oldcarroadtrip.com

07-21-2015, 05:56 PM	#5
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,428	Re: Correct fastener question with photos Mitch and Seth: Looks like throwout brg shaft arm rh side of tranny?? Paul in CT

07-21-2015, 06:36 PM	#8
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: Correct fastener question with photos It has an early-28 clutch release shaft.....for a multi-disc bell housing. The end is long for a collar with a rivet! You have a single plate bell housing....does this information help?? Hope you have the correct T/O fork... Dudley

07-21-2015, 07:48 PM	#13
sethkestenbaum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 632	Re: Correct fastener question with photos In looking at Mitch's image (passenger side posted 7:22PM) and at some photos of I took of the bellhousing removal months ago, this shaft did not protrude the bellhousing. There was no collar visible on the passenger side. __________________ Seth Kestenbaum www.oldcarroadtrip.com

07-21-2015, 08:57 PM	#14
sethkestenbaum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 632	Re: Correct fastener question with photos WardAZ (and all), from the WardAZ photos I now understand what DJ was getting at. My concern now is that the shaft didnt previously protrude the housing. So the question is "what do I do or need to check next?" While my car is not a points car, I want it to be "correct" and safe. Thoughts? I would hate to have to pull the bell housing if adding a collar is "good enough". __________________ Seth Kestenbaum www.oldcarroadtrip.com

07-21-2015, 10:55 PM	#15
Gary Karr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,517	Re: Correct fastener question with photos If your car is an early '29 with a single disc clutch, you have the wrong clutch release shaft. Yours should be flush on the right side and take the collar with pin on the left side.

07-22-2015, 11:25 AM	#17
sethkestenbaum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 632	Re: Correct fastener question with photos DJ, I think you are correct (as several of the supply catalogs indicate that some single disc clutch cars in 1929 used the shaft. I'm still figuring out what is correct. I'll probably call around later today to figure this out. It is amazing what you learn when you dig. My concern now is about how "interchangeable" these shafts are. If this longer shaft works the same and has no downside, so be it. __________________ Seth Kestenbaum www.oldcarroadtrip.com

07-22-2015, 11:58 AM	#18
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: Correct fastener question with photos My thought.... The shaft was changed from a woodruff key and pin to just a pin when they changed the T/O fork. That change shows up in the Service Bulletins in June of 29, page 351. Gary is a 28-29 guy and knows them well,...I like to think I'm a 28-29 guy also. I just question the shaft change(time line) and the collar on the left.. This, I think, would be a question for the JSC,....tho trivial?

07-22-2015, 04:45 PM	#19
sethkestenbaum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 632	Re: Correct fastener question with photos As a follow up, the collar is part #A7616R according to what is reported to be in a parts catalog from the 1930s. I haven't found any new ones... I have found the location of some old ones. I still don't know if the shaft that was in the car when I got it or the shaft installed in the rebuild is correct. Hey, isn't killing 1/2 a day and loosing a night's sleep to figure out the details part of the fun (UGH!). I'm hoping to hear back from the guys at MAFCA. __________________ Seth Kestenbaum www.oldcarroadtrip.com

07-22-2015, 09:09 PM	#20
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Correct fastener question with photos I don't recall ever seeing a single plate clutch shaft use a collar on the right side.