Trouble finding an air filter

[Oldmics]

Nothing like running a thread compleatly off its tracks

Kultulz asks

"So it is a CROSS REFERENCE CATALOG you have?"

I have MCR (Master Cross Reference) books from the first one in Nov of 1953 , then 1954,1956,1957, 1959. Those were my original primary focus.

Also acquired the MCR books from Oct 61,Oct 63,April 64,April 66, Oct 67, Oct 70 and Oct 71.

The OSI books that I have are Ford- Jan 55 , Merc /Lincoln Nov 56 , Ford July 57 , Ford 60 and Ford - June 61.

Kultulz says

"Nice to have either or both."

Yes,it is

I find myself using the MCR books more than anything else.

There"s also the usual array of 55,56,57 (year of) Ford parts and shop manuals.

Mercury and Edsel manuals and T.S.B.s along with some Ford T Bird proprietary documentation a bunch of price sheet books and much more.

I must say that I have a pretty reference decent library but I am always seeking more books.

I"m sure you know that year specific information is routinely deleted from the Master Parts Catologues such as the 49-59 "Blue Bible".

That missing information is what started my search for the real parts information years ago.

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Nothing like running a thread compleatly off its tracks

And there is nothing like learning and look at how much info is contained within this thread. Sorry you feel that way.

I"m sure you know that year specific information is routinely deleted from the Master Parts Catologues such as the 49-59 "Blue Bible".

That missing information is what started my search for the real parts information years ago.

Oldmics

It is not actually missing. Up until the CDP, the MPC (paper or micrfiche) was updated quarterly. You will see publication date(s) on the binded books (49/59) for example) themselves and on loose leaf pages (65/72 for example) The key is to collect as wide a dates range of the MPC that you can.

Same with SERVICE MANUALS.

Any deleted info is listed in the OSI (and you need several ranges of years there also). Once deleted from the OSI, it was gone.

The only way I finally found the ACL element was not in the MPC (60/64 FINAL ISSUE) but a 1967 READY REFERENCE CATALOG. Without that or the period correct MPC, it most likely would have not been found.

[Herman Munster]

The C4AZ 9601-A filter is the same as the filter that was short. It's only 2.5" tall. I think I found some white paint in the ACL so that's Edsel right?
The earlier remark about my Desoto filter sitting high is only because the top rubber rim of the filter is thicker than Ford filters that were too short.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

The C4AZ 9601-A filter is the same as the filter that was short. It's only 2.5" tall.

...hmmpf...

You called Green Ford and they actually measured one?

The chart calls for 3.13" H (See below)-

I think I found some white paint in the ACL so that's Edsel right?

Not necessarily. All lines used different colors according to year and/or engine size.

Were you able to measure the housing?

BTW- Do you have the PN and manufacturer of the DeSoto element?

[Herman Munster]

I looked it up and it came up with different dimensions than what's on your chart.
http://catalog.hastingsfilter.com/Pa...ayBackButton=0
Unfortunately even with your chart's dimensions, the diameter is too small. I need a filter with an upper outer diameter of 10-3/8".
My filter is a NAPA filter but looks like a Fram because of the color. I'll have to get the number off the box when I go measure the ACL.

[Herman Munster]

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The filter is a NAPA Gold 2041 and the ACL itself is about 18" in diameter.

[KULTULZ]

I'm sorry. I have no further ideas.

[Herman Munster]

I was afraid it would end like this. Thanks for all the help.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

I was afraid it would end like this.

Just hold on for awhile. Let me try and find my OSI.

Something in the HASTINGS listing isn't jiving to me.

[Herman Munster]

That Hastings filter dimensions were the same as the one that NAPA had that was too short. The guys at NAPA even tried to find a filter that would fit but had no luck. I eventually found the Desoto filter number and had NAPA order it which is what I have now.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

That Hastings filter dimensions were the same as the one that NAPA had that was too short. The guys at NAPA even tried to find a filter that would fit but had no luck.

I eventually found the Desoto filter number and had NAPA order it which is what I have now.

But the element does not fit correctly, right? It doesn't take too much unfiltered air to ruin an engine.

[Herman Munster]

It fits snugly with no apparent leaks but it looks a bit odd.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

OK, I think I have found it. It was not in the 60/64 MPC (must have gone obsolete and was deleted from FINAL ISSUE).

Went back again to the 1967 READY REFERENCE CATALOG and it was listed there (I think). It only gave two dimensions, 9.74" OD and 3.13" H. It is listed only for 64 FORD and MERC.

Service PN C4AZ 9601-A. No reference found on GOOGLE. This must have been a very limited production run. Maybe explains why the guy got rid of it.

I think I read oldmic saying he had a period OSI Catalog. Maybe he can chase it and get an earlier PN.

I will keep looking.

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Green Ford Sales

http://www.greensalescompany.com/

shows that they have 6 of the C4AZ 9601-A in stock.

Have to call them for pricing

The OSI information that I have is from 1955 to 1961.

The 1964 MCR book crosses the service number (C4AZ 9601-A) to the actual part of C4AF9601B

Oldmics

OK... The ACL you have seems to be 1964 specific (a few exceptions). Have found (THANX Bill aka Number Dummy @ FTE Forums) C4AZ 9601-A was R/B C3AZ 9601-B FA-6), which has the following measurements -

9.78" OD - 7.28" ID - 2.53" H

So Herman, you may be asking yourself why I am rattling your cage and the thing is too short.

I think I may have the answer... STAY TUNED!

[Herman Munster]

KULTULZ, the air filters with the 2.53" height have been too short. The one I need has to be about 3.22" height.
I'm still staying tuned.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

KULTULZ, the air filters with the 2.53" height have been too short. The one I need has to be about 3.22" height.

I'm still staying tuned.

I don't think you need one that tall, at least with FORD.

I see you are still a doubting Thomas so I will hold my surprise until later this afternoon. Why not set back with a few cool ones and you will be surprised as I was (and I should have remembered... ).

[Herman Munster]

No, not being a doubting Thomas. I've tried the shorter filter and it just hangs without touching the inside bottom.
It's a little early for any cold ones for me yet. I just finished my morning espresso. West coast time here.

[KULTULZ]

OK... Here's the deal.

You have an odd ACL ASSY.


The fix is FORD C3AZ 9601-B (FA-6) and ACL Seal C4AZ 9673-A (available from usual suspects repro).

The seal goes under/around the lid, is 0.46" thick and combined with the ACL Element HGT (2.53") will give you the correct height to seal the ACL.

If you can, I need measurements of your ACL ASSY itself, not the element, diameter and standing height (measured on bench) along with diameter of lid.

The 5th photo shows the seal installation on a 1965 to help you visualize.

What have you decided on the HEATER CONTROL VALVE?

[miker98038]

There’s a very similar post going on over at yblocksforever, could be the same OP, both from SW WA. No matter. Kultulz, if I’m understanding your explaination above, this is the home grown solution to the correct factory replacement seal. Am I seeing this right?

In case anyone’s interested. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic139384-1.aspx

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by miker98038

There’s a very similar post going on over at yblocksforever, could be the same OP, both from SW WA. No matter.

Kultulz, if I’m understanding your explaination above, this is the home grown solution to the correct factory replacement seal. Am I seeing this right?

In case anyone’s interested. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic139384-1.aspx

Same poster, same problem. We went around here for a long time (2 different threads).

This is correct information as well as I can determine. Most of this info has been deleted from FINAL ISSUE MPC's and you have to hunt certain things down the hard way.

What I showed is factory assy for the particular ACL ASSY.

I answered here as it was posted here first and this board style is much easier to use for old farts as myself ...

What p!sses me off is I should have remembered it. I was there with a 64 390 in 1966...

[Herman Munster]

Yes I'm the same OP in both.
I did manage to have a couple of cold ones.
Well I'll be a...and I thought I needed a thicker air filter. That looks like what I was looking for. I wonder why I didn't see something like this before?
Thanks KULTULZ.