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CA Victoria · 06-28-2012, 05:25 PM

I ran into an odd duck the other day. The original header that I have is narrower than the replacement offered. The additional thickness will not allow the header cover to seat back in it's original location. With that said, there must be a physical difference with the body construction or the header covers?
Steve at Classic Wood Mfg said he has run into a couple like this.

The header should be the same for both the Steel, Leatherback, and possibally the slant windshield sedan. I cannot find any information in the Victoria Association's archives to address the difference.

Can anyone shed any light on the differences.

Richard Wilson · 06-28-2012, 06:49 PM

I had this same experience with the new Classic Wood Mfg. wood header that I installed in my 30 leatherback victoria. After installing the wood header I used a belt sander and sanded the front of the new wood header until the metal header cover fit the windshield post as original. Sand a little and trial fit...sand some more and trial fit. It did finally work out to fit near perfect. Not sure why the difference but bottom line is you will have to fit the metal cover.

CA Victoria · 06-28-2012, 06:55 PM

The difference was +/- 3/16. The machining was perfect on both sides, just to thick. I sent my original back to Steve at CWM with the copy and he will be able to make the correction. I wonder if the descrepency is akin to the Leatherbacks?

I enjoy the historical aspect of these also, consistantly inconsistent!

Richard Wilson · 06-28-2012, 07:11 PM

My original header just crumbled when I removed it so I did not worry about trying to measure the thickness difference with the new piece. I think that I sanded at least 3/16 inch (Tim's measurement) off the face to fit the metal cover.

Mike V. Florida · 06-28-2012, 11:21 PM

What timing! My son is about to start the wood replacement in is Vicky, Good info.

If I may, are you guys using the original nut holder in the front of the header or just using "T" nuts. My son is missing one of the original holders so if your not going to use yours are you willing to part with one? Please send PM.

Marco Tahtaras · 06-29-2012, 09:14 AM

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According to the parts books the header was the same for all victorias. My guess is that "Steve at Classic Wood Mfg said he has run into a couple like this" simply means that only a few folks have complained so he didn't know that his patterns were incorrect on all vickys.

miss victoria · 06-29-2012, 09:24 AM

I had the same problem with my vicky,had to sand,sand and sand!!!!

CA Victoria · 06-30-2012, 09:02 AM

While not conclusive, the 4 Victoria owners who have also had to sand the reproduction header were also Leatherback models. This makes more sence than an anomoly or mid year production change.

I sent my original header to Steve at Classic Wood Manufacturing to correct mine. He will be able to take measurements for future headers.

Mike V. Florida · 07-02-2012, 12:23 AM

Here is the part my Son is looking for,

Richard Wilson · 07-02-2012, 07:43 AM

Found them!!! Hey Mike PM me your mailing address and I will send you the two from my Victoria. I went with the T-nuts that came with the new header on my car.

Richard

Mike V. Florida · 07-02-2012, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wilson

Found them!!! Hey Mike PM me your mailing address and I will send you the two from my Victoria. I went with the T-nuts that came with the new header on my car.

Richard

Done!!! Your the best!!

CA Victoria · 07-10-2012, 05:56 PM

CLASSIC WOOD MANUFACTURING now has a pattern for the CORRECT Victoria Header if you have the narrower one. While not conclusive it may be that the leatherback or at least a few of them had the narrower header. No need to sand anymore!!!!

THANK YOU to CWM in So Carolina. Really GREAT folks to deal with.

You will not be dissapointed with their service. No fancy website just great old fassion service.

jw hash · 07-10-2012, 07:05 PM

Remember it is a lot easyer to sand and fit your header then glueing some wood on it and than sanding to fit. I would rather have a header that is a little to big than to small,

Richard Wilson · 07-10-2012, 09:23 PM

Classic Wood Mfg is actually in Greensboro, North Carolina and not South Carolina.

06-28-2012, 05:25 PM	#1
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,132	Victoria Header I ran into an odd duck the other day. The original header that I have is narrower than the replacement offered. The additional thickness will not allow the header cover to seat back in it's original location. With that said, there must be a physical difference with the body construction or the header covers? Steve at Classic Wood Mfg said he has run into a couple like this. The header should be the same for both the Steel, Leatherback, and possibally the slant windshield sedan. I cannot find any information in the Victoria Association's archives to address the difference. Can anyone shed any light on the differences. __________________ Tim Downtown, Ca

06-28-2012, 06:49 PM	#2
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: Victoria Header I had this same experience with the new Classic Wood Mfg. wood header that I installed in my 30 leatherback victoria. After installing the wood header I used a belt sander and sanded the front of the new wood header until the metal header cover fit the windshield post as original. Sand a little and trial fit...sand some more and trial fit. It did finally work out to fit near perfect. Not sure why the difference but bottom line is you will have to fit the metal cover.

06-28-2012, 06:55 PM	#3
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,132	Re: Victoria Header The difference was +/- 3/16. The machining was perfect on both sides, just to thick. I sent my original back to Steve at CWM with the copy and he will be able to make the correction. I wonder if the descrepency is akin to the Leatherbacks? I enjoy the historical aspect of these also, consistantly inconsistent! __________________ Tim Downtown, Ca

06-28-2012, 07:11 PM	#4
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: Victoria Header My original header just crumbled when I removed it so I did not worry about trying to measure the thickness difference with the new piece. I think that I sanded at least 3/16 inch (Tim's measurement) off the face to fit the metal cover.

06-28-2012, 11:21 PM	#5
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Victoria Header What timing! My son is about to start the wood replacement in is Vicky, Good info. If I may, are you guys using the original nut holder in the front of the header or just using "T" nuts. My son is missing one of the original holders so if your not going to use yours are you willing to part with one? Please send PM. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

06-29-2012, 09:14 AM	#6
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: Victoria Header Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) According to the parts books the header was the same for all victorias. My guess is that "Steve at Classic Wood Mfg said he has run into a couple like this" simply means that only a few folks have complained so he didn't know that his patterns were incorrect on all vickys. __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/

06-29-2012, 09:24 AM	#7
miss victoria Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 310	Re: Victoria Header I had the same problem with my vicky,had to sand,sand and sand!!!!

06-30-2012, 09:02 AM	#8
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,132	Re: Victoria Header While not conclusive, the 4 Victoria owners who have also had to sand the reproduction header were also Leatherback models. This makes more sence than an anomoly or mid year production change. I sent my original header to Steve at Classic Wood Manufacturing to correct mine. He will be able to take measurements for future headers. __________________ Tim Downtown, Ca

07-02-2012, 07:43 AM	#10
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: Victoria Header Found them!!! Hey Mike PM me your mailing address and I will send you the two from my Victoria. I went with the T-nuts that came with the new header on my car. Richard

07-10-2012, 05:56 PM	#12
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,132	Re: Victoria Header CLASSIC WOOD MANUFACTURING now has a pattern for the CORRECT Victoria Header if you have the narrower one. While not conclusive it may be that the leatherback or at least a few of them had the narrower header. No need to sand anymore!!!! THANK YOU to CWM in So Carolina. Really GREAT folks to deal with. You will not be dissapointed with their service. No fancy website just great old fassion service. __________________ Tim Downtown, Ca

07-10-2012, 07:05 PM	#13
jw hash Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn Washington Posts: 2,554	Re: Victoria Header Remember it is a lot easyer to sand and fit your header then glueing some wood on it and than sanding to fit. I would rather have a header that is a little to big than to small,

07-10-2012, 09:23 PM	#14
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: Victoria Header Classic Wood Mfg is actually in Greensboro, North Carolina and not South Carolina.