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GSM · 03-08-2012, 01:49 PM

has anyone used disc brakes an steering gear from a 1977 maverick any help would appreciated on a 1954 ford skyliner
thanks

Noswal · 03-08-2012, 08:10 PM

The disc brakes would be the same as Granada. The lower ball joint hole will need to be reamed to accept the lower '54 ball joint. By steering gear, do you mean the steering box? The box itself will not bolt up without EXTENSIVE modification. The Maverick drag link and tie rod ends will mount into your '54 as a complete assembly by adding a 1" spacer block between the frame and the idler arm on the passenger side. Use the Maverick pitman arm and your original box. A bracket will need to be fabricated to bolt the steering ram to the frame on the driver side. Us the Maverick hoses and connect a power steering pump on your engine and you have it. Use grade 8 bolts everywhere!!

Ford blue blood · 03-09-2012, 10:12 AM

Check with Borgeson, they have a bolt in box for the 54 - 64 full sized Fords, Mustangs and Fairlanes. They sell an entire kit with pump and lines for 700 +.

Ole Don · 03-09-2012, 10:57 AM

There was an article in The Y Block magazine a few years back on how to do the Granad discs. It takes a little looking, and some chasing to get machine work done, but costs about 1/3 what the kits cost.

gasman826 · 03-09-2012, 07:59 PM

Speedway has offered the tapered ream for several years and recently Summit (maybe Jegs) also offers the ream. It does not take a mill to open the tapered holes. A little turning by hand will do the job!!!

gasman826 · 03-09-2012, 08:07 PM

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I have made the Granada to '57 swap several times but not on a '54. The Granada to '57-'64 and on early Mustangs has been documented several times. You can even buy new Granada stuff on a web site. I have also done the rack and pinion swap on '57-'64 but never the tie rod thing on '54. I even have an extra Granada set up laying around. If you are handy enough to do the proposed swap, you might want to study up on a R&P upgrade. You will be really happy with it.

parklane · 03-09-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gasman826

I have made the Granada to '57 swap several times but not on a '54. The Granada to '57-'64 and on early Mustangs has been documented several times. You can even buy new Granada stuff on a web site. I have also done the rack and pinion swap on '57-'64. You will be really happy with it.

How much did the R&P increase the turning radius? Been told it's a PITA

Gerry · 03-10-2012, 06:31 PM

I have heard the same from others on other boards, steering radius really deminishes

Ford blue blood · 03-10-2012, 11:45 PM

The install for the Borgeson box is a bolt in. I believe they furnish the pitman arm, you have to go different steering column or modify the stock unit just as you have to with the R & P kits. The R & P kit requires some fabrication. The R & P kits run in the 1200 range.

I know of one R & P install and his turning radius was reduced.

Milt/Las Vegas · 03-11-2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gasman826

Speedway has offered the tapered ream for several years and recently Summit (maybe Jegs) also offers the ream. It does not take a mill to open the tapered holes. A little turning by hand will do the job!!!

Versailles discs are the same but the spindle has a larger bottom hole for the ball joint.FWIW

Noswal · 03-11-2012, 08:15 AM

I used the reamer from Speedway, chucked it up in a 1/2" electric drill, put my spindle in a vise, measured the depth I wanted and drilled it. Worked really out pretty good.

Ole Don · 03-11-2012, 10:28 AM

I'm the guy who bad mouthed the rack idea. I put on on my car and it took two cuts to get out of my own driveway. Off it came. I bought a tri five chev 605 box. It bolts right on, but should have another bracket welded on the frame on top. It wont work with the stock clutch linkage. I like my five speed. Back went the 605. I got lucky and found a factory P/S unit. Works great. Leaks a little, the bottom of the car wont get rusty. Hey, I never called it a show car. I love it!

gasman826 · 03-11-2012, 02:05 PM

I did forget to mention that the turn radius is increased. I would have had to put stops into the spindles anyway for the fender well headers.

Ford blue blood · 03-11-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Noswal

I used the reamer from Speedway, chucked it up in a 1/2" electric drill, put my spindle in a vise, measured the depth I wanted and drilled it. Worked really out pretty good.

It would be hard to muck up the ream job. Bottom line the hole needs to be larger so you can get the needed thread engagement with the castle nut.

54HotRod · 03-15-2012, 10:12 AM

Call me stupid or just a novice, but what do you mean by reaming out the spindle? I'm a visual learner so if you have pictures of this it would help me out. Actually if you have pictures of the entire set up and how it all goes together, that would be awesome too.

Noswal · 03-15-2012, 10:51 AM

The hole for the lower ball joint in the Granada spindle is smaller than the ball joint stud. The hole must be made larger and must be tapered at the same angle as the stud on the joint (7 degrees taper). Speedway sells the reamer. It's not a really hard job to do if you have an electric drill to accept the reamer and a vise to chuck up the spindle. Be careful and don't run the reamer too deep. The deeper the reamer, the larger the hole. Or, any competent machine shop should be able to drill out the spindle hole. Can't imagine it could cost much to have it done. If you can find spindles from a Versailles, they are already the size you need.

54HotRod · 03-15-2012, 11:42 AM

Thanks for the information.

Ole Don · 03-15-2012, 02:36 PM

When I had my Granada spindles reamed, I found a local shop that makes roundy-round cars out of a rack of tubing. He had the correct tool and charged me 20 bucks.

03-08-2012, 01:49 PM	#1
GSM Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1	disc brakes an steering gear has anyone used disc brakes an steering gear from a 1977 maverick any help would appreciated on a 1954 ford skyliner thanks

03-08-2012, 08:10 PM	#2
Noswal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manchester, TN Posts: 189	Re: disc brakes an steering gear The disc brakes would be the same as Granada. The lower ball joint hole will need to be reamed to accept the lower '54 ball joint. By steering gear, do you mean the steering box? The box itself will not bolt up without EXTENSIVE modification. The Maverick drag link and tie rod ends will mount into your '54 as a complete assembly by adding a 1" spacer block between the frame and the idler arm on the passenger side. Use the Maverick pitman arm and your original box. A bracket will need to be fabricated to bolt the steering ram to the frame on the driver side. Us the Maverick hoses and connect a power steering pump on your engine and you have it. Use grade 8 bolts everywhere!!

03-09-2012, 10:12 AM	#3
Ford blue blood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 823	Re: disc brakes an steering gear Check with Borgeson, they have a bolt in box for the 54 - 64 full sized Fords, Mustangs and Fairlanes. They sell an entire kit with pump and lines for 700 +. __________________ Bill, certified Ford nut. 2016 F-150 2016 Focus 08 Shelby GT500 57 Ford Ranchero 36 Chevy, 351C/FMX, 8", Mustang II

03-09-2012, 10:57 AM	#4
Ole Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Michael, Minnesota Posts: 1,713	Re: disc brakes an steering gear There was an article in The Y Block magazine a few years back on how to do the Granad discs. It takes a little looking, and some chasing to get machine work done, but costs about 1/3 what the kits cost.

03-09-2012, 07:59 PM	#5
gasman826 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Addison MI Posts: 9	Re: disc brakes an steering gear Speedway has offered the tapered ream for several years and recently Summit (maybe Jegs) also offers the ream. It does not take a mill to open the tapered holes. A little turning by hand will do the job!!!

03-09-2012, 08:07 PM	#6
gasman826 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Addison MI Posts: 9	Re: disc brakes an steering gear Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have made the Granada to '57 swap several times but not on a '54. The Granada to '57-'64 and on early Mustangs has been documented several times. You can even buy new Granada stuff on a web site. I have also done the rack and pinion swap on '57-'64 but never the tie rod thing on '54. I even have an extra Granada set up laying around. If you are handy enough to do the proposed swap, you might want to study up on a R&P upgrade. You will be really happy with it.

03-10-2012, 06:31 PM	#8
Gerry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lake Forest, Southern California. Posts: 148	Re: disc brakes an steering gear I have heard the same from others on other boards, steering radius really deminishes

03-10-2012, 11:45 PM	#9
Ford blue blood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 823	Re: disc brakes an steering gear The install for the Borgeson box is a bolt in. I believe they furnish the pitman arm, you have to go different steering column or modify the stock unit just as you have to with the R & P kits. The R & P kit requires some fabrication. The R & P kits run in the 1200 range. I know of one R & P install and his turning radius was reduced. __________________ Bill, certified Ford nut. 2016 F-150 2016 Focus 08 Shelby GT500 57 Ford Ranchero 36 Chevy, 351C/FMX, 8", Mustang II

03-11-2012, 08:15 AM	#11
Noswal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manchester, TN Posts: 189	Re: disc brakes an steering gear I used the reamer from Speedway, chucked it up in a 1/2" electric drill, put my spindle in a vise, measured the depth I wanted and drilled it. Worked really out pretty good.

03-11-2012, 10:28 AM	#12
Ole Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Michael, Minnesota Posts: 1,713	Re: disc brakes an steering gear I'm the guy who bad mouthed the rack idea. I put on on my car and it took two cuts to get out of my own driveway. Off it came. I bought a tri five chev 605 box. It bolts right on, but should have another bracket welded on the frame on top. It wont work with the stock clutch linkage. I like my five speed. Back went the 605. I got lucky and found a factory P/S unit. Works great. Leaks a little, the bottom of the car wont get rusty. Hey, I never called it a show car. I love it!

03-11-2012, 02:05 PM	#13
gasman826 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Addison MI Posts: 9	Re: disc brakes an steering gear I did forget to mention that the turn radius is increased. I would have had to put stops into the spindles anyway for the fender well headers.

03-15-2012, 10:12 AM	#15
54HotRod Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 16	Re: disc brakes an steering gear Call me stupid or just a novice, but what do you mean by reaming out the spindle? I'm a visual learner so if you have pictures of this it would help me out. Actually if you have pictures of the entire set up and how it all goes together, that would be awesome too.

03-15-2012, 10:51 AM	#16
Noswal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manchester, TN Posts: 189	Re: disc brakes an steering gear The hole for the lower ball joint in the Granada spindle is smaller than the ball joint stud. The hole must be made larger and must be tapered at the same angle as the stud on the joint (7 degrees taper). Speedway sells the reamer. It's not a really hard job to do if you have an electric drill to accept the reamer and a vise to chuck up the spindle. Be careful and don't run the reamer too deep. The deeper the reamer, the larger the hole. Or, any competent machine shop should be able to drill out the spindle hole. Can't imagine it could cost much to have it done. If you can find spindles from a Versailles, they are already the size you need.

03-15-2012, 11:42 AM	#17
54HotRod Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 16	Re: disc brakes an steering gear Thanks for the information.

03-15-2012, 02:36 PM	#18
Ole Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Michael, Minnesota Posts: 1,713	Re: disc brakes an steering gear When I had my Granada spindles reamed, I found a local shop that makes roundy-round cars out of a rack of tubing. He had the correct tool and charged me 20 bucks.