Has anyone been through correcting their title?

[411Ton]

I have a 41 that has a 47 title. I know many reasons why this was normal but am wondering if anyone has been through the process of getting the title corrected, and if so, what was the process and what data did you need to collect?

[Kube]

A '47 title for a '41 is anything but "normal".

[tubman]

I had an incorrect VIN on a Corvette changed a few years ago. There was a "5" where there should have been an "S". This was in Minnesota and it was easy to do. For some reason, I think you are facing a much more serious problem.

[kurt v]

Does the title match the 41 frame, maybe someone miss read the 1 for a 7.

[411Ton]

Originally Posted by Kube

A '47 title for a '41 is anything but "normal".

Actually, it was normal routine at the time. There were 4 exemptions given to farm-use trucks. This particular truck was a "Pfister Hybrids" company truck:

"Pfister Hybrids, Funk’s, DeKalb, etc. bought dozens of new 1941 trucks in late 1941, parked them on farms, and used them for seed delivery during the war. They were titled only when the co-op sold or traded them after 1945."

"Colorado statute allowed farm vehicles used only for agricultural purposes and not more than 10 miles on public roads to be registered with cheap “Farm Truck” plates or not at all if kept on private roads. Many ¾-ton pickups ran for years on just a $2–$5 farm tag or no tag."
"In 1943–1945, Weld County issued over 4,000 of these cheap farm-truck plates annually.
A ¾-ton 1941 Ford that arrived on a beet farm in Fort Lupton in 1942 or 1943 would simply get a $3 yellow “Farm Truck” plate (or none at all) and be used for six straight seasons to haul cabbage, onions, corn, and sugar beets — never seeing a regular title until the farmer sold it or the war ended.
When the war finally ended and rationing lifted, the new buyer (or the same farmer) walked into the county courthouse in 1946–1948, paid the back fees, and received a brand-new title that listed the year of first retail registration (1946, 1947, or 1948) instead of the actual build year — exactly what happened to your truck.
That is why a genuine 1941-built, Pfister-door-logo, Tacoma-Cream DeLuxe ¾-ton can carry a 1947 Colorado title and still be 100 % correct and original.
It’s not an anomaly — it’s the classic Colorado beet-farm wartime story."

[411Ton]

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the VIN assigned by Colorado is a period correct VIN that matches to a 1941. The frame # matches the Transmission #, but those were not used on Colorado titles.

[411Ton]

also, my research has shown that thousands of late-1941 heavy-duty pickups sat unsold through the entire war, and Ford’s internal accounting system in 1941–1942 used a temporary “799-” prefix for all unsold heavy-duty trucks (¾-ton and larger) that were being held for wartime release. The “Y” suffix meant 1-ton/¾-ton heavy chassis. When the dealer finally sold the truck in 1946–47, the invoice still carried this wartime accounting code. Hence my CO title has a VIN that starts with 799Y and when Ford released this truck for sale, it was titled in 1947. But I digress. Just looking for the process folks have used, if anyone has...

[Bruce of MN]

Due to a cracked block in my Model A, I will have to amend my VA title to show the new block number. I hope it won't be more than paperwork. I have saved my old block to hopefully satisfy the DMV.

[Ggmac]

Originally Posted by 411Ton

also, my research has shown that thousands of late-1941 heavy-duty pickups sat unsold through the entire war, and Ford’s internal accounting system in 1941–1942 used a temporary “799-” prefix for all unsold heavy-duty trucks (¾-ton and larger) that were being held for wartime release. The “Y” suffix meant 1-ton/¾-ton heavy chassis. When the dealer finally sold the truck in 1946–47, the invoice still carried this wartime accounting code. Hence my CO title has a VIN that starts with 799Y and when Ford released this truck for sale, it was titled in 1947. But I digress. Just looking for the process folks have used, if anyone has...

WOW ! nice explanation and research. I never knew . With all the research you have , why even change It , its unique.

[paul2748]

If that is the history behind your truck, then you can enlighten FL about this.(Maybe get documentation from Colorado) . . Each state is different on their rules, so your best source of info is the FL DMV (yes, I know had bad they can be)

[J Franklin]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

Due to a cracked block in my Model A, I will have to amend my VA title to show the new block number. I hope it won't be more than paperwork. I have saved my old block to hopefully satisfy the DMV.

Stamp the replacement block to match the title.

[hueyhoolihan]

if the engine number is even on the title of automobiles in my state, and i'm not sure that it is, but if it is i'm certain that it is wrong, as i had the block replaced a year or two ago. and i can assure you that the DMV will never hear about it from me. as i have no intention whatsoever of informing them of that fact.

[GB SISSON]

Originally Posted by 411Ton

also, my research has shown that thousands of late-1941 heavy-duty pickups sat unsold through the entire war, and Ford’s internal accounting system in 1941–1942 used a temporary “799-” prefix for all unsold heavy-duty trucks (¾-ton and larger) that were being held for wartime release. The “Y” suffix meant 1-ton/¾-ton heavy chassis. When the dealer finally sold the truck in 1946–47, the invoice still carried this wartime accounting code. Hence my CO title has a VIN that starts with 799Y and when Ford released this truck for sale, it was titled in 1947. But I digress. Just looking for the process folks have used, if anyone has...

I know we are veering off the actual subject, but my '46 tonner express vin starts with 699Y---- Does that make it a wartime holdover? In other words, is it the double nines that detrermine this?

[trulyvintage]

Originally Posted by 411Ton

I have a 41 that has a 47 title. I know many reasons why this was normal but am wondering if anyone has been through the process of getting the title corrected, and if so, what was the process and what data did you need to collect?

Your local DMV office is the place to start.
Stop by in person and ask some general
questions, do not give them your last name
or any specific information on your vehicle.

Jim

[ford38v8]

One of my first cars as a kid was titled as a 1943 Pontiac sedan. I was told at the time that California titles reflected the year first sold rather than year of manufacture. Wartime restrictions on sales meant the first owner of my Pontiac might have been a Doctor.

[WRA]

My 34 5W was titled as a "1934 Ford 2Dr" in Florida. I attempted to get it corrected and was just too much. Their requirements for proof were unrealistic and they even offered to do it but would be considered a Kit Car and not as originally manufactured.

I contacted “Florida Fast Title” whom I had used before on several other cars. They told me the bureaucratic burden would be steep and not worth the effort. It comes down to they only recognize cars as 2 or 4 doors.

Not as drastic as incorrect year, but just my experience of trying to change something in Florida.

I would contact Florida Fast Tile. It’s free to ask and see what they can do for you.

[32Bee]

I recently took the time to have new correct titles made for two of my Fords. I simply
went to my town office and worked with them to fill out the paper work. The processing
fee was nominal and it took approximately six weeks to receive my new titles. All in all
it was a pretty straight forward procedure without any hiccups.

[411Ton]

I live in FL, so will be doing so!

[411Ton]

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

I know we are veering off the actual subject, but my '46 tonner express vin starts with 699Y---- Does that make it a wartime holdover? In other words, is it the double nines that detrermine this?

Ford created this temporary internal accounting series for all heavy-duty trucks (¾-ton and larger) that were built in 1941–1942 but could not be sold to civilians because of the February 1942 shutdown. When the War Production Board finally released them in 1945–1947, Ford needed a quick way to track them for warranty and parts, so they slapped a new “99Y-series” code on the paperwork.


Code on Title: 699Y
Actual Build Year: Early–mid 1942 (civilian production before Feb 10 cutoff)
Chassis Covered: Mostly 1-ton & 1½-ton
Typical Title 1946–1948

[big job]

In taxachusetts here is the mentality of the rmv. when I bought my model T with no title that was stored in early 1940s. Get this : they required the original owner to sign this form. I said you got a shovel? Miss Elene died in 1943. I then walked out.. So my oldest son being pretty sharp dealing with them got a title >1923 Ford sedan thats wrong, its a 1823 touring black. What I'm trying to say is here you keep ya mouth shut and don't even try to go back and correct it just roll with it. 14 years ago.............