VIN on title doesn't match VIN on frame

[Zax40]

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[Zax40]

Originally Posted by TwoDuckDad

the GA VIN inspection is free. Already had it done on another vehicle. It likely won't be easy with a different VIN on the vehicle than on the title...but I've been wrong before...many times

The GA State Patrol, which typically does the inspections, wants to see a VIN/Serial stamped on a plate on the firewall secured with rivets. That is how they are trained. If you have a replacement VIN issued from another state but no plate on the vehicle with that new VIN stamped you are likely going to fail the inspection.

[Planojc]

Good luck on your quest. Dealing with the DMV can be a nightmare.

[TwoDuckDad]

Originally Posted by kurt v

what's the trans no ?

It has a Chevy 350 V8 engine and Turbo 350 tranny, so that won't help, but thanks for the idea.

[TwoDuckDad]

Heading to DMV today to see what happens. Wish me luck!

[Scott52]

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Just Curious, What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have a registration from CA DMV. If you have a Registration, just keep paying the yearly fee. Asking the DMV to get involved can create more issues. Like you father, I forget what happened on my vehicles and I try to write good notes. I think my Dodge Power Wagon did not have license plates but there were some plates on the registration that were place holder numbers. Once I got it up and running, 3 years later, I ordered some "special" plates that were in an older CA style (Yellow on Black) and they switched to those on the registration and pink slip.

[TJ]

If the pickup still has the original motor check to see if that number is stamped on the motor. That sounds like a number that may have been stamped on a motor. California used motor numbers many years ago. I've seen Model A motors that were rebuilt with a number and the CAL at the end of the number. It was an assigned number by the DMV.

[V8COOPMAN]

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ALL You's Guys ..... Pay attention here! If you have any sort of discrepancy with the numbers matching on your title and frame, there's a reason and ya need to get it fixed! If you have found a way around all this that SEEMS to satisfy the state DMV, you're only fooling yourself. The bomb is gonna drop if you ever have an accident, theft or loss of any kind and need to make a claim. And what you have going on through some "cutesy" maneuvers to fool the DMV into giving you a title for your 'numbers-mess' is likely to turn-out to be deemed ILLEGAL in some form or manner. Remember, insurance companies don't like paying-out their 'profit monies' if they can get around it. When you make a claim for some sort of loss on your vehicle and the insurance company finds that the numbers don't REALLY match, your claim will more than likely be denied, which could also leave you high & dry when it comes to any lawsuits brought against you in a liability situation. Not only all of the above, but most smart and legitimate buyers of a vehicle won't want any part of purchasing the vehicle with goobered-up numbers. You'll finally realize that you've fooled nobody but yourself when the shtuff eventually makes contact with the rotating blade (when the crap hits the fan) in one form or another.

Coop


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[40coe]

The tag with the California vin is your vin number as far as Cailfornia is concerned. It is assigned by the state of California. You will need to ignore the Ford stamped vin.

I built a trailer from the back half of a 3/4 ton truck. Had it inspected and was assigned a vin on a riveted tag just like yours.

I would just transfer to Georgia as is to avoid lots of potential headaches.

[34pickup]

You might have a situation like mine. In Alabama and I thought also in Georgia, cars over 30 years old cannot be titled, only registered with the serial number. So in my case, my original ALabama vehicle did not have a title, so the person who owned it previously in SOuth Carolina bought a "1932 Ford" South Carolina title and titled the car there with a title that did not match the frame number. So you might just have a title someone bought from one of those guys in a swap meet that sells "collectable vintage paperwork". Since the title I got with my car was useless to me, ALabama would not accept it, I sold it to one of those vendors and had my car registered with the state with its original frame number.

[KJ714]

Ultimately you want to get it registered in Georgia right? How about if you just take the truck and have Georgia title it right with the frame number? A VIN verifier should be able to search for the frame number and see if it is already used somewhere. If it's clear, just have your dad sign a bill of sale, tell them he's misplaced the paperwork long ago and go forward with a GA title.

It may be that the reason for the swap is that someone long ago replaced the frame under the truck. It's common that people would separate bodies from frames to put a modern (like a TCI frame) under a body, keep the old title with the body, and sell the frame which now has a titling problem to someone who needed a new frame cheap. The person who bought the original frame as a replacement might've covered up the frame number & acquired a CA assigned Vin number to title it. Titles are supposed to follow the frames not the bodies but nobody looked that carefully and it was pretty easy to do this title dance in CA back in the day. Not any more, California is real strict on frame numbers, assigned tags, etc. You don't want to mess with the CA DMV if you can avoid it if everything doesn't match up. Wherever that original title with that frame number went it may be long gone out of the system so you'd be good to go to re-title that frame with it.

I'd keep it out of the CA DMV hands if you can because CA can sure mess that up for ya.

[itslow]

Where is the vehicle currently registered? California or Georgia? Who is the current registered owner according to that state?

It appears Georgia's lax titling and registration for vehicles older than 1986 would simply require a bill of sale from the previous owner.

[TwoDuckDad]

Sheriff's deputy came over today and completed the VIN verification form with the original frame stamped VIN. Went to DMV with my driver's license, proof of insurance (which I had updated to the correct VIN), bill of sale ($1). Since the CA title VIN did not match the frame stamped VIN, GA will only register the vehicle but not retitle. They don't require a title here on vehicles older than (can't remember the year), and it will be easily transferable to my son when I'm tool old to enjoy the pickup. My dad had a custom "GARYS41" CA plate on the pickup so, to respect the restomod he performed, I ordered a GA plate with the same. Left with temp plate and temp registration with originals to follow in the mail.

[John Gibson]

Georgia would not accept a State of Washington title for my 36 when I registered it 8-10 years ago but did give me a registration. The explanation was that Georgia didn’t title vehicles back in 1936. I don’t know if that is true or not. Georgia will now issue title older vehicles. Go figure.
John

[Mart]

Originally Posted by TwoDuckDad

Sheriff's deputy came over today and completed the VIN verification form with the original frame stamped VIN. Went to DMV with my driver's license, proof of insurance (which I had updated to the correct VIN), bill of sale ($1). Since the CA title VIN did not match the frame stamped VIN, GA will only register the vehicle but not retitle. They don't require a title here on vehicles older than (can't remember the year), and it will be easily transferable to my son when I'm tool old to enjoy the pickup. My dad had a custom "GARYS41" CA plate on the pickup so, to respect the restomod he performed, I ordered a GA plate with the same. Left with temp plate and temp registration with originals to follow in the mail.

Glad you got it squared away all above board and legal like.

[gajeepguy]

In Georgia, all you need is a bill-of-sale on a pre-1963 auto. Some metro area counties add the T-22 form due to the rampant auto thefts. Sell the car to a friend from a county outside the metro area for $1 and let him register it in his name and apply for a Georgia conditional title, he can just sell it back to you for $1 and you can transfer the new title to yourself. I've had to resort to this a number of times over the years I am in Fulton county which is the pickiest of them all.

[barnfind]

After you get your tag registration in GA you can apply for "vanity/collector car" title.
Not sure what's it's called but it looks pretty mch like any other GA vehicle title.
It's not very documented by the DMV - cost me about 30 dollars a few years ago for 57 Chevy.
Not a requirement to have one.

[TwoDuckDad]

Originally Posted by barnfind

After you get your tag registration in GA you can apply for "vanity/collector car" title.
Not sure what's it's called but it looks pretty mch like any other GA vehicle title.
It's not very documented by the DMV - cost me about 30 dollars a few years ago for 57 Chevy.
Not a requirement to have one.

Hmmm...I'll have to check it out. Thanks