'60 Edsel Convertible Fakes

[ledzep30513]

I have read what someone who have to do to make a counterfeit convertible car using a Ford Sunliner and parts from a Ranger, My question is how hard would this really have been and how many are or were estimated to have been created? I have a 60 Edsel convertible, that I'm working with. Dad just bought it in FL. It has a Ford VIN but has the right wheel base length for the Edsel. VIN plate is rather new looking and if a fake was being made you would think they would have had the brains to at least create a vin that would "look" correct.

Thanks, Jim

[mercman from oz]

1960 Edsel Ranger Convertible

[mercman from oz]

Wheelbases :- 1960 Ford = 119" - 1960 Edsel = 120"
You say that your Edsel has the correct 120" Wheelbase?
With only an Inch difference, in my mind, that would be very difficult to measure.

[KULTULZ]

The 1960 EDSEL was a FANCY TRIM FORD. Would be very easy to duplicate.

Does your PATENT PLATE look like the one shown below?

I don't mean to run you off, but there are many EDSEL sites that will give the information you seek much more quickly. GIGGLE EDSEL and you will see the sites.

1958/1960 EDSEL had separate SHOP MANUAL and PARTS CATALOGS.

If you don't find what you need, get back.

[mercman from oz]

Edsel Patent Plate

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

The 1960 EDSEL was a FANCY TRIM FORD. Would be very easy to duplicate.

Case In Point Attached -

FROM THIS -

TO THIS -

[Gene F]

You said you bought it in Florida, but do not show where you are. If there are questions, most states default to the VIN on the frame. From there they may even wish to issue a new state VIN (which are recognized in all 50 states).

[KULTULZ]

Found this while giggling on my inner-screen -

Counterfeit 1960 Edsel Convertibles do exist! By taking hood and rear deck sheet metal from a 1960 Edsel sedan and modifying a 1960 Ford Sunliner, you have an Edsel forgery. (At a very rare production total of 76, and prices reaching $47,000 for a mint 1960 Edsel ragtop, it's easy to see why it happens). Don't be fooled - a true Edsel convertible has a correct dataplate solidly riveted to the pillar, a cross-member on the frame, and vehicle ID numbers that match the dataplate, found at various points along the frame.

SOURCE - https://edsel.com/pages/edsel60.htm

[Gene F]

Kultulz, did you see this on that Edsel page? "Crankcase capacity - 8 cyl (qt): 5 (6 if equipped with filter)" The standard V-8 was still the 292 y-black. There is a reason why that extra quart goes in the engine...

[KULTULZ]

Yeah, and I don't understand it.

I have an old FORD LUBE GUIDE I can dig out. Will be back.

[KULTULZ]

DETAILED PHOTOS @

https://www.mecum.com/lots/370095/19...r-convertible/

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Yeah, and I don't understand it.

I have an old FORD LUBE GUIDE I can dig out. Will be back.

Here's the deal. Y-blocks CAN get into a cycle of starving for oil, and then have ample oil, and repeat. This only happens at RPMs about 4,000 RPMs and up. If you put a Y-block on a dyno with oil added only to the full mark on the dipstick (4 qts, plus 1) the thing is fine to drive back and forth to work. But sustained RPM will smoke a crankshaft, or camshaft bearing.

Pretty important for a Y-block to have regular oil changes, to keep "oil flakes" from building up. Gotta keep the oil return flow as good as possible.

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

DETAILED PHOTOS @

https://www.mecum.com/lots/370095/19...r-convertible/

$82,000 and it did not hit the reserve.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Gene F

Here's the deal. Y-blocks CAN get into a cycle of starving for oil, and then have ample oil, and repeat. This only happens at RPMs about 4,000 RPMs and up. If you put a Y-block on a dyno with oil added only to the full mark on the dipstick (4 qts, plus 1) the thing is fine to drive back and forth to work. But sustained RPM will smoke a crankshaft, or camshaft bearing.

Pretty important for a Y-block to have regular oil changes, to keep "oil flakes" from building up. Gotta keep the oil return flow as good as possible.

GOOD POINT! -

Actually, any engine can become oil starved. Reason(s) for a deep sump oil pans and HI-PRESS/HI-VOL oil pumps and any number of internal modifications.

I remember when the 1968 CJ came out and FORD HP said to run an additional 1qt. of oil in the pan for drag (stock class - no deep sump allowed).

As long as one has correct CCV (and possibly a windage tray ) the oil won't be sucked up on the crank throws. Most of it @ HI-RPM will be trying to find it's way back to the sump anyways.

[5851a]

I thought all the ohv 8 cylinders were 6 qts till 65, trucks and hp engines stayed at six. New stuff is all over the map.

[ledzep30513]

I am located in Georgia and I know my VIN Plate is to say the least inaccurate.

[ledzep30513]

How does somebody upload photos? Can't seem to figure it out.
Found out you can not use the Quick Reply to add attachments.

[ledzep30513]

These are a few photos of the '60

[ledzep30513]

The Vin plate only

[ledzep30513]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

Wheelbases :- 1960 Ford = 119" - 1960 Edsel = 120"
You say that your Edsel has the correct 120" Wheelbase?
With only an Inch difference, in my mind, that would be very difficult to measure.

Measured it twice and was 120" Will be measuring it again using a different tape and points of measurement,
Jim