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Brianpfreeman · 12-12-2022, 05:33 PM

Just looking to see if anyone had luck finding rear wheel bearing seals at local auto parts store. Forgot to order them and trying to finish rear brake job. If no luck, I will order some local tomorrow. Thanks

bruceincam · 12-12-2022, 06:50 PM

Here's some info that I have copied and saved straight from this site. Maybe it'll help you.

A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer
49320 Victor
A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer
471022 National
A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer
473458 National
A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer
20702 Victor
A1225 Rear wheel bearing F–00536 SKF
B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute)
A 1444 RBC
B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute)
OA1565 RBC
B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute)
J66–2456 Bowers
B–1225–X Rear wheel bearing (substitute)
sleeve 37155

Here's the link that it's from:
https://www.fordbarn.com/aforum/messages3/525484.html

Oldcarbearings · 12-15-2022, 09:25 PM

Both BOWER&RBC&SKF NO LONGER make the wound journal roller bearings : B1225, OA1565 A1444, J662456, BOWER used to have them made in Mexico &then china,
I was told by our (Australian) BOWER importer that BOWER DON'T make ANY of what i call/term "fast moving" wound journal roller bearings for both the rear axle/hub/wheel&transmission bearings i'm not 100% certain/sure whether or not RBC still manufactuer these kind/type of roller bearings, our Australian RBC importers DON'T import nor sell the fast moving/popular rear wheel/transmission wound journal roller bearings here in Australia we have to buy either N.O.S. Baltzer , BOWER, HYATT/RBC or we often/sometimes get boxed 'MADE IN USA" but made in china i assume&think that Synders are made in either china or india as no USA bearing company will make them..... sigh.

Joe K · 12-15-2022, 09:38 PM

A good discussion of various roller bearing details (i.e. wound journal roller bearings) is seen at https://www.ptintl.com/products/medi...2-253_Eich.pdf

This discussion is aligned with the cluster gear/main shaft bearing discussion of another thread found at https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321351

I have called these "spring rollers" in this other thread.

Joe K

updraught · 12-15-2022, 10:29 PM

"These are essentially cylindrical roller bearings made of high temperature roller bearing steel.
The design of the bearings will adapt to these extreme ambient conditions to eliminate the need for frequent bearing replacement as is often the case with bronze bushed designs."
https://www.ptintl.com/products/medi...2-253_Eich.pdf

So, if bronze bushes were used in place of needle bearings in the transmission they would wear quicker than bearings?

Joe K · 12-15-2022, 10:38 PM

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So, if bronze bushes were used in place of needle bearings in the transmission they would wear quicker than bearings?

Otherwise known as a "sleeve bearing." Instead of rolling lubrication you have lubrication/lubrication. Known in engineering as "boundary lubrication" where the action is part sliding (and consequent wear) and part slip (buoyed on a lubricant film.)

So yes. The reference cites EXTREME duty bearings. One's mind goes to the difference between the original railroad wheel "journal" bearings and their later replacement with Timken Roller Bearings, which lasted longer, required less attention, and failure resulted in less heat/i.e. "hot-boxes," which would frequently light the railroad ties on fire, or literally weld the shaft to its bearing.

Joe K

Joe K · 12-15-2022, 10:42 PM

So, if bronze bushes were used in place of needle bearings in the transmission they would wear quicker than bearings?

Otherwise known as a "sleeve bearing." Instead of rolling lubrication you have lubrication/lubrication. Known in engineering as "boundary lubrication" where the action is part sliding (and consequent wear) and part slip (buoyed on a lubricant film.)

So yes. The reference cites EXTREME duty bearings. One's mind goes to the difference between the original railroad wheel "journal" bearings and their later replacement with Timken Roller Bearings, which lasted longer, required less attention, and failure resulted in less heat/i.e. "hot-boxes," which would frequently light the railroad ties on fire.

I have to remind myself mentally that "journal" is the moving part (journey) and "bearing" is the stationary part (bears the load.)

Journal-Bearing is the complete relative motion unit.

Joe K

12-12-2022, 05:33 PM	#1
Brianpfreeman Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 30	Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference Just looking to see if anyone had luck finding rear wheel bearing seals at local auto parts store. Forgot to order them and trying to finish rear brake job. If no luck, I will order some local tomorrow. Thanks

12-12-2022, 06:50 PM	#2
bruceincam Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Camarillo, Ca Posts: 168	Re: Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference Here's some info that I have copied and saved straight from this site. Maybe it'll help you. A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer 49320 Victor A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer 471022 National A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer 473458 National A–1175 Rear wheel grease retainer 20702 Victor A1225 Rear wheel bearing F–00536 SKF B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute) A 1444 RBC B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute) OA1565 RBC B–1225 Rear wheel bearing (substitute) J66–2456 Bowers B–1225–X Rear wheel bearing (substitute) sleeve 37155 Here's the link that it's from: https://www.fordbarn.com/aforum/messages3/525484.html Last edited by bruceincam; 12-12-2022 at 06:57 PM.

12-15-2022, 09:25 PM	#3
Oldcarbearings Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: North Warrandyte, Melbourne,Victoria, Australia Posts: 72	Re: Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference Both BOWER&RBC&SKF NO LONGER make the wound journal roller bearings : B1225, OA1565 A1444, J662456, BOWER used to have them made in Mexico &then china, I was told by our (Australian) BOWER importer that BOWER DON'T make ANY of what i call/term "fast moving" wound journal roller bearings for both the rear axle/hub/wheel&transmission bearings i'm not 100% certain/sure whether or not RBC still manufactuer these kind/type of roller bearings, our Australian RBC importers DON'T import nor sell the fast moving/popular rear wheel/transmission wound journal roller bearings here in Australia we have to buy either N.O.S. Baltzer , BOWER, HYATT/RBC or we often/sometimes get boxed 'MADE IN USA" but made in china i assume&think that Synders are made in either china or india as no USA bearing company will make them..... sigh.

12-15-2022, 09:38 PM	#4
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference A good discussion of various roller bearing details (i.e. wound journal roller bearings) is seen at https://www.ptintl.com/products/medi...2-253_Eich.pdf This discussion is aligned with the cluster gear/main shaft bearing discussion of another thread found at https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321351 I have called these "spring rollers" in this other thread. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

12-15-2022, 10:29 PM	#5
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,988	Re: Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference "These are essentially cylindrical roller bearings made of high temperature roller bearing steel. The design of the bearings will adapt to these extreme ambient conditions to eliminate the need for frequent bearing replacement as is often the case with bronze bushed designs." https://www.ptintl.com/products/medi...2-253_Eich.pdf So, if bronze bushes were used in place of needle bearings in the transmission they would wear quicker than bearings?

12-15-2022, 10:42 PM	#7
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: Rear wheel bearing seal cross reference So, if bronze bushes were used in place of needle bearings in the transmission they would wear quicker than bearings? Otherwise known as a "sleeve bearing." Instead of rolling lubrication you have lubrication/lubrication. Known in engineering as "boundary lubrication" where the action is part sliding (and consequent wear) and part slip (buoyed on a lubricant film.) So yes. The reference cites EXTREME duty bearings. One's mind goes to the difference between the original railroad wheel "journal" bearings and their later replacement with Timken Roller Bearings, which lasted longer, required less attention, and failure resulted in less heat/i.e. "hot-boxes," which would frequently light the railroad ties on fire. I have to remind myself mentally that "journal" is the moving part (journey) and "bearing" is the stationary part (bears the load.) Journal-Bearing is the complete relative motion unit. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.