So you have an all original car...OK...

[P.S.]

There is quite a debate about what is original going on in the comments under this Model A video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqA28sHrWiA

Admittedly, the video is stupid. All it was supposed to do was show the car, never intended to see the light of day.

So, did we ever figure out what qualifies for "original"? Is this car what you would call "original"? Some commenters call it "restored". Where do you stand on this car?

[History]

Collecting militaria, different but,,,,,,. A german k98 rifle can sell for thousands depending on make, year and condition. If any parts are not matching numbers (UNLESS) its armorers replacement parts it is considered altered or not original. If it's a missmash of parts put together but the Russians after being captured or otherwise stock sanded to make it purdy, drilled and tapped for a scope for a hunter the value goes down exponentially.

Not an equal comparison and I'll let you guys settle this and quote you years from.

[Ruth]

Originally Posted by P.S.

There is quite a debate about what is original going on in the comments under this Model A video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqA28sHrWiA

Admittedly, the video is stupid. All it was supposed to do was show the car, never intended to see the light of day.

So, did we ever figure out what qualifies for "original"? Is this car what you would call "original"? Some commenters call it "restored". Where do you stand on this car?

Not a stupid video, I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. One question tho, what happened to your engine pan(s)? I always like the looks of the engine pans on a Model A engine.

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by Ruth

Not a stupid video, I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. One question tho, what happened to your engine pan(s)? I always like the looks of the engine pans on a Model A engine.

They were removed in the 1950's for some reason. I have a set, though not original to that car, so I could always put them on for judging. But the car is just being preserved as it has been handed down and not built up as a white ribbon car. What you see is what it is.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by P.S.

There is quite a debate about what is original going on in the comments under this Model A video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqA28sHrWiA

Admittedly, the video is stupid. All it was supposed to do was show the car, never intended to see the light of day.

So, did we ever figure out what qualifies for "original"? Is this car what you would call "original"? Some commenters call it "restored". Where do you stand on this car?

Paul, two things come to mind in your situation. To begin with, had you never mentioned the engine was rebuilt, they would have never known and would have accepted it as original. The main reason is the rebuild was all internal and thus undetectable had the engine not been repainted.

Second, one should consider the Concours Host (-and their rules or guidelines) as the expert authority of what is original or not. Both of the national Model-A clubs, the AACA, and many other non-marque concours events would all allow your vehicle to be entered into their Original class as-is. So if it meets their criteria of being called Original, then what does the opinion of those trolls matter??


One point I will criticize you on slightly, is I know of several 'restored' Model-As that will drive equally as well as what yours or other low-mileage original Model-As will. One example would be your friend Marco's restored Roadster.

[P.S.]

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Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Paul, two things come to mind in your situation. To begin with, had you never mentioned the engine was rebuilt, they would have never known and would have accepted it as original. The main reason is the rebuild was all internal and thus undetectable had the engine not been repainted.

Second, one should consider the Concours Host (-and their rules or guidelines) as the expert authority of what is original or not. Both of the national Model-A clubs, the AACA, and many other non-marque concours events would all allow your vehicle to be entered into their Original class as-is. So if it meets their criteria of being called Original, then what does the opinion of those trolls matter??


One point I will criticize you on slightly, is I know of several 'restored' Model-As that will drive equally as well as what yours or other low-mileage original Model-As will. One example would be your friend Marco's restored Roadster.

Valid point. By the way, a few years ago, I posted a portion of a video I shot while riding in Marco's roadster. That car is unreal.



My tudor sedan is restored with nothing but N.O.S. parts, and it's pretty close to the driving experience but still not quite. It just doesn't "feel" the same as the original car.



You're right about the engine internals. I wish it didn't have to get repainted, but the restorer did it thinking he was helping me. Same thing happened to the radiator when I had the radiator shop boil and rod it out. They repainted it. Now you have to look closely to see that it's original.


I know opinions run all across the board, but I am still curious to see what middle ground looks like. My opinion is that tires, belts, hoses, etc. can be replaced and a 91 year old car is still original. Where do you draw the line? For me it is a repaint, motor swap, interior material swap or similar. But, I asked because I am trying to learn, not to share my opinions.



Thanks for the kind words. I will never know everything about Model A's, but I am enjoying the journey trying to learn as much as possible. It feeds my Asperger's Syndrome.