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az58cameo · 02-08-2016, 10:49 AM

Hi Gentlemen,

My Plan is to blast the wheels on my 1929 Tudor Sedan with Tractor supply's
Black Diamond fine grit sandblasting compound,and from there epoxy prime
the wheels and wanting to paint them Black,is there a code out there i can use
to get a correct color match of the black?
I am "not" going to do a total restoration on the car, but would like the correct
black on the wheels.

Thanks for your Time!
Allen

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-08-2016, 11:14 AM

BLACK that has some BLUE in it, makes a VIVID statement! !
Bill W.

wrndln · 02-08-2016, 11:39 AM

Allen,
I would use PPG DPLF90 (black) epoxy primer (two or three coats) and two or three coats of Concept 9300 black top coat. If you apply the top coat within a few days, there is no need to scuff the primer. That is what I use on black items - fenders, splash apron, etc. Is is a nice black, black.

BTW, be sure to check the hubs for cracks and separated spokes before you paint the wheels. There are many problems that can happen to wheels - bent spokes, broken loose spokes, wallowed out lug nut holes, cracked hubs, rusted out 21" outer rims.
Rusty Nelson

Hunter · 02-08-2016, 12:18 PM

Agree with Rusty, but if they are pitted you will need to fill the pitts with putty and sand. Or you may be able to use PPG's K36 primer after the DP 90 and sand and re prime multiple times until they are filled. After you do all of this you will need to hit with the DP90 mixed as a surfacer before applying the final top coat.

The process will really depend and how pitted the wheels are and how good a finished product you are looking for when complete.

It takes a whole lot of time to get a pitted wheel to look nice.

Hunter

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-08-2016, 12:52 PM

It's AMAZING what we can do, with time, care & patience. I've seen wheels, painted with spray cans, that pass off as being Powder Coated.
Bill W.

az58cameo · 02-08-2016, 04:21 PM

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I have checked the rims and have found cracks and bent spoke's and actually
scored two good rims to replace the bad one's for $15.00 for both Rims

Car is all Original for the most part and was my Grandfathers! Seen better days and needs to be restored, "BUT" the way i see it, they are only Original once and will probably keep it
just the way my grandfather drove it back and forth to his Barber Shop!
I have two other projects in my garage and if i was to tear the car down it probably
would never get back together so my plan is to keep it running and enjoy the heck out of it just the way it is, and pass it on to my Son.

Thanks again,
Allen

Vin-tin · 02-08-2016, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by az58cameo

I have checked the rims and have found cracks and bent spoke's and actually
scored two good rims to replace the bad one's for $15.00 for both Rims

Car is all Original for the most part and was my Grandfathers! Seen better days and needs to be restored, "BUT" the way i see it, they are only Original once and will probably keep it
just the way my grandfather drove it back and forth to his Barber Shop!
I have two other projects in my garage and if i was to tear the car down it probably
would never get back together so my plan is to keep it running and enjoy the heck out of it just the way it is, and pass it on to my Son.

Thanks again,
Allen

Also make sure they're not bent and wobble.

Neil Mylar LakewoodCA · 02-08-2016, 05:31 PM

Allen,
Nice to hear that you still have your grandfather's tudor.
Can you post a picture?
Neil

RonC · 02-08-2016, 09:46 PM

Have you looked into powder coating? How much will it cost you to blast prime paint including your time versus sending them to a powder coater?

JJASON · 02-08-2016, 10:31 PM

Use good auto paint Black is Black

aermotor · 02-09-2016, 08:15 AM

Be sure to paint the back side of the spokes over the hub with a brush afterward. The spray thickness there will probably be too thin to last. A pin stripeing brush works well.

John

Tinbasher · 02-09-2016, 08:44 AM

Another good black is Chrysler Code "DX8" or "PX8" same colour has a touch of blue in it.
It's the blackest looking black I've found.

John Poole

az58cameo · 02-09-2016, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJASON

Use good auto paint Black is Black

Sir, Go to a Paint Store and ask for Black!
Black is "Not" BLACK

Just like White is "Not" White!

Pmsqrd · 02-09-2016, 03:17 PM

If there is a Les Schwab tire store in your area check with them about the powder coating service they offer for wheels.

You really cannot beat their price here in Sacramento. Black of course is one of the colors they offer.

az58cameo · 02-09-2016, 03:48 PM

Just Not interested in Powder coating as Friends of mine have had stuff done by different
places and they all have seamed to fade and go flat after awhile here in the Az Sun
even with a so called UV inhibitor to help reduce the fading. Not against powder coating at all its just that i have invested allot into painting equipment and want to stick with paint.
just to ask again, is there a true Black code out there that Ford has for their colors And
maybe a Chart that had Fords Model A color's?
Thanks again for All your help! and suggestions!
Allen
I will try and post pics when i can also

Marvin/TN · 02-09-2016, 07:05 PM

You are right, black isn't black these days, Checkout a color chip book and look at different brand of autos and see the different blacks listed for the same brand of car

RonC · 02-09-2016, 07:08 PM

Model A paint chips

https://mafca.com/cart/index.php?productID=129

az58cameo · 02-11-2016, 11:13 AM

RonC Thank You Sir, that is what i was looking!

JJason i was not trying to Insult you, or anyone's intelligence on this at all, you would not believe how many Black Colors are out there, Some mixed with Brown, Some mixed with
Blues and Reds. just trying to find the Color Henry Ford may have used!
Thanks again everyone,
Allen

02-08-2016, 10:49 AM	#1
az58cameo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Payson AZ Posts: 24	Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Hi Gentlemen, My Plan is to blast the wheels on my 1929 Tudor Sedan with Tractor supply's Black Diamond fine grit sandblasting compound,and from there epoxy prime the wheels and wanting to paint them Black,is there a code out there i can use to get a correct color match of the black? I am "not" going to do a total restoration on the car, but would like the correct black on the wheels. Thanks for your Time! Allen

02-08-2016, 11:14 AM	#2
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels BLACK that has some BLUE in it, makes a VIVID statement! ! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

02-08-2016, 11:39 AM	#3
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,180	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Allen, I would use PPG DPLF90 (black) epoxy primer (two or three coats) and two or three coats of Concept 9300 black top coat. If you apply the top coat within a few days, there is no need to scuff the primer. That is what I use on black items - fenders, splash apron, etc. Is is a nice black, black. BTW, be sure to check the hubs for cracks and separated spokes before you paint the wheels. There are many problems that can happen to wheels - bent spokes, broken loose spokes, wallowed out lug nut holes, cracked hubs, rusted out 21" outer rims. Rusty Nelson

02-08-2016, 12:18 PM	#4
Hunter Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland Posts: 518	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Agree with Rusty, but if they are pitted you will need to fill the pitts with putty and sand. Or you may be able to use PPG's K36 primer after the DP 90 and sand and re prime multiple times until they are filled. After you do all of this you will need to hit with the DP90 mixed as a surfacer before applying the final top coat. The process will really depend and how pitted the wheels are and how good a finished product you are looking for when complete. It takes a whole lot of time to get a pitted wheel to look nice. Hunter

02-08-2016, 12:52 PM	#5
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels It's AMAZING what we can do, with time, care & patience. I've seen wheels, painted with spray cans, that pass off as being Powder Coated. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

02-08-2016, 04:21 PM	#6
az58cameo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Payson AZ Posts: 24	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have checked the rims and have found cracks and bent spoke's and actually scored two good rims to replace the bad one's for $15.00 for both Rims Car is all Original for the most part and was my Grandfathers! Seen better days and needs to be restored, "BUT" the way i see it, they are only Original once and will probably keep it just the way my grandfather drove it back and forth to his Barber Shop! I have two other projects in my garage and if i was to tear the car down it probably would never get back together so my plan is to keep it running and enjoy the heck out of it just the way it is, and pass it on to my Son. Thanks again, Allen

02-08-2016, 05:31 PM	#8
Neil Mylar LakewoodCA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 1,348	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Allen, Nice to hear that you still have your grandfather's tudor. Can you post a picture? Neil

02-08-2016, 09:46 PM	#9
RonC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,868	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Have you looked into powder coating? How much will it cost you to blast prime paint including your time versus sending them to a powder coater?

02-08-2016, 10:31 PM	#10
JJASON Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 110	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Use good auto paint Black is Black

02-09-2016, 08:15 AM	#11
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Be sure to paint the back side of the spokes over the hub with a brush afterward. The spray thickness there will probably be too thin to last. A pin stripeing brush works well. John

02-09-2016, 08:44 AM	#12
Tinbasher Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Innisfil, Ontario Canada Posts: 1,177	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Another good black is Chrysler Code "DX8" or "PX8" same colour has a touch of blue in it. It's the blackest looking black I've found. John Poole

02-09-2016, 03:17 PM	#14
Pmsqrd Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 216	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels If there is a Les Schwab tire store in your area check with them about the powder coating service they offer for wheels. You really cannot beat their price here in Sacramento. Black of course is one of the colors they offer.

02-09-2016, 03:48 PM	#15
az58cameo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Payson AZ Posts: 24	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Just Not interested in Powder coating as Friends of mine have had stuff done by different places and they all have seamed to fade and go flat after awhile here in the Az Sun even with a so called UV inhibitor to help reduce the fading. Not against powder coating at all its just that i have invested allot into painting equipment and want to stick with paint. just to ask again, is there a true Black code out there that Ford has for their colors And maybe a Chart that had Fords Model A color's? Thanks again for All your help! and suggestions! Allen I will try and post pics when i can also

02-09-2016, 07:05 PM	#16
Marvin/TN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chattanooga, TN area Posts: 832	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels You are right, black isn't black these days, Checkout a color chip book and look at different brand of autos and see the different blacks listed for the same brand of car

02-09-2016, 07:08 PM	#17
RonC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,868	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels Model A paint chips https://mafca.com/cart/index.php?productID=129 Last edited by RonC; 02-09-2016 at 07:14 PM.

02-11-2016, 11:13 AM	#18
az58cameo Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Payson AZ Posts: 24	Re: Painting 29 Tudor Wheels RonC Thank You Sir, that is what i was looking! JJason i was not trying to Insult you, or anyone's intelligence on this at all, you would not believe how many Black Colors are out there, Some mixed with Brown, Some mixed with Blues and Reds. just trying to find the Color Henry Ford may have used! Thanks again everyone, Allen