Oil Filter

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Harley03joe

What Do You Guys Think Of The Timing Side Cover Filter ?

Model A Oil Filter Kit
The plate mounts on the front of the engine where the timing side cover is. Easy to install with no modifications at all. U.S.A.

From Snyders Antique Auto
A-6705 $99.00 / ea.
1928-31
Please Let Me Know Ok
Thanks
Harley03joe

Post 7 above from testing several types;
"The second filter kit reviewed was the “Timing Gear Cover” partial flow and I do not know if this system is still sold. But the review by “Model A Times” stated “ineffective”."

[Harley03joe]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Post 7 above from testing several types;
"The second filter kit reviewed was the “Timing Gear Cover” partial flow and I do not know if this system is still sold. But the review by “Model A Times” stated “ineffective”."

Ok Mike What Would You Suggest If I Wanted To Put A Oil Filter On My 31 ?
Thanks
Harley03joe

Ok Mike This Is The One I Should Use Right ?

[Mike V. Florida]

I can't see pictures with the server I'm using at work.

But, based on the results of the magazine testing in post 7, the second is ineffective and the third is no longer available that leaves the best one the first one "A Ford Able Full Flow".

[bettlesr]

I use the "Taylor" timing side cover filter adapter with a right angle adapter. It and my engine were both converted to full flow. The April 2010 issue of Secrets of Speed magazine has the information needed to convert the adapter for full flow use.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by bettlesr

I use the "Taylor" timing side cover filter adapter with a right angle adapter. It and my engine were both converted to full flow. The April 201 issue of Secrets of Speed magazine has the information needed to convert the adapter for full flow use.

That's a clean looking setup.
Is that brass line going to an oil pressure gauge?

[bettlesr]

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Tom Wesenberg:
Yes it is. That tee fitting was the hardest part of the setup to find. AN through to 1/8" pipe. The copper tubing does a strain relief loop behind the engine and then through the wiring block on the fire wall. The tube is covered with hd heat shrink tubing where it goes through the firewall to insulate it from the wiring and terminals. The information I have for the filter adapter is: Taylor Filter Kits, 4713 W 97th Place, Oak lawn, IL 60453 (708) 499-8622

[Harley03joe]

Thank You All For Your Input.
Harley03joe

[bdave_mcc]

Originally Posted by bettlesr

Tom Wesenberg:
Yes it is. That tee fitting was the hardest part of the setup to find. AN through to 1/8" pipe. The copper tubing does a strain relief loop behind the engine and then through the wiring block on the fire wall. The tube is covered with hd heat shrink tubing where it goes through the firewall to insulate it from the wiring and terminals. The information I have for the filter adapter is: Taylor Filter Kits, 4713 W 97th Place, Oak lawn, IL 60453 (708) 499-8622

Could you possibly elaborate on the process to do the full flow conversion? It a nice looking setup. I see your feed is coming into the housing in the normal spot. Drilled and tapped hole out the back and into the side cover. Whats done inside the cover? anything?

[bettlesr]

I wii try to copy the pages when I get home next week.

[Harley03joe]

Originally Posted by rob mcdonald

You may want to read the article in the “Model A Times” Volume One, Issue Three, July 2005.

The first filter kit reviewed, “A Ford Able Full Flow” is nearly a full flow but the filter is in the horizontal position with the bottom pointing outward. This kit is sold by most of the Model A suppliers.
I presently have one and recognized immediately that about 50% of the oil in this filter position drains back into both the valve chamber and some % of that backward into the pump. This means that after the car sits the oil pump must pump maybe 6 to 10 ounces to refill the filter before any oil is fully flowing into the valve camber and then to the mains.
I do not like the delay of oil flow! I have just purchased an expensive adapter to mount the filter vertical to keep the filter full and able to push oil into the value chamber immediately. Also less mess with the vertical.

The second filter kit reviewed was the “Timing Gear Cover” partial flow and I do not know if this system is still sold. But the review by “Model A Times” stated “ineffective”.

The third filter kit reviewed, “A Very Oil Filter” was sold exclusively by Mike’s and I had two prior to the “Model A Times” article. I liked this option because of the vertical no mess position of the filter with no major oil drain back plus the partial bypass instant flow.
This filter kit provided a copper sleeve to place around the oil pump drive gear that forced roughly 65% of the oil through the filter.
The drawbacks I heard for this filter is the “uneven mounting” of the filter adapter on an original valve cover that turned the filter into a vertical no mess position. Also the copper sleeve was not tightly mounted by one buyer.
This filter is no longer sold by Mike’s but he has had several people ask for his design primarily due to the no mess no drain back design.

If you could see the inside of the first filter I replaced on each of my three installations you may be amazed at the amount of heavy dirt particles the filter trapped. I kept the first filter on my last installation to try to find a camera that will capture the dirt.

This points out how effective a filter may be for our dirty old Model A’s. Also it is important we change the filters frequently until we are confident the filter will not become blocked and depending on the type of filter kit starve the engine of oil.

I am interested in the experience from others with filters.

And I realize there are many who have driven 100,000 miles on the original Babbitt and only change the oil twice. Oh and the oil was 2nd hand from the family sedan.

The FordBarn is great.

Gill
Your Write Up Is Great, But No Part Numbers ?

[bdave_mcc]

Originally Posted by bettlesr

I wii try to copy the pages when I get home next week.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to seeing it

[bdave_mcc]

Originally Posted by bettlesr

I wii try to copy the pages when I get home next week.

I managed to get a hold of that article. It seems that article is more aimed at full pressure modifications. I see and understand what needs to be done to the filter housing but what do you do inside the engine if just wanting to filter the oil?. I'm assuming just plugging the oil tube in the valve chamber? And at what point does the oil need to enter back into the engine? Back towards the front where the stock tube is, or center?

[ian Simpson]

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

for those of you having trouble draining the oil from a horiz. mounted filter, just position a bucket or container of choice under the end of the filter (or get a helper), and using a hefty awl (I use an old screwdriver with the blade ground to a point) and a small hammer, punch a hole in the bottom of the filter and allow it to drain before you spin it off

My Lotus Europa fitted with a Renault engine had a horizontal filter, as did my Renault 10 and Renault 12. (BTW Renault engines in the late 60's, early 70's were fantastic bits of engineering. Too bad the transmissions and bodywork did not keep pace.)

I used an old screwdriver to drive through the filter and turn it off, with a bucket underneath of course.

[Bob Bidonde]

Looking at Snyder's oil filter kit, it appears that filtered oil bypasses the valve chamber where the crankshaft and camshaft bearing oil feeds are. Is this so?

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Bob Bidonde

Looking at Snyder's oil filter kit, it appears that filtered oil bypasses the valve chamber where the crankshaft and camshaft bearing oil feeds are. Is this so?

Snyder's has 2 kits. Which one are you talking about?

[Bob Bidonde]

Here is a remote oil filter kit that can be connected with hoses. The output hose should go into the valve chamber to keep the crankshaft and camshaft oil feeds full. It's a FRAM XG8A 1HP.

[Bob Bidonde]

CarlG
This one

[katy]

Got a part # and source for that setup w/the Fram filter?

[Bob Bidonde]

Katy,
It's a FRAM XG8A 1HP. Google it for a source and check eBay.

[katy]

Thanks