The Ford Barn

Lawson Cox · 02-02-2016, 01:28 PM

Visit this web page. Very interesting.

http://awo.aws.org/category/resource-library/blog/

ReggieK · 02-02-2016, 03:36 PM

Very interesting Lawson, Thanks for posting.
Reggie

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 06:03 PM

Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

Pete · 02-02-2016, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952henry

Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

uncle max · 02-02-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete

I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

Ditto. 10-4. Copy.

Tim Ayers · 02-02-2016, 06:09 PM

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Well, "weld replacement" adhesives have been around for some time. Back in the '90's-'00's, Lord Fusor was all the rage. They have their place, but there times when nothing beats a quality weld.

Rowdy · 02-02-2016, 06:21 PM

About 6 years ago when I was still working for Monroe and running one of the tubing cutters we had a maintenance guy in his 20's. We had a break down that the only proper repair was to braze the parts back together. I was shocked that he had no clue how to braze. Ended up brazing it myself while he watched. He learned alittle but it seems these skills are no longer taught. I learned how to braze at 8 years old, so consider it one of the most basic skills. While I do not do it often have always been glad I learned. In my current job I solder almost every day. Another one of the skills I learned before I was even old enough to drive. Some skills will always have a place. Rod

tubman · 02-02-2016, 07:52 PM

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

Pete · 02-02-2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

uncle max · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Legitimate!

petehoovie · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

1952henry's signatures are the best!!!

Sixseven · 02-02-2016, 08:04 PM

No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixseven

No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

The "new" economy apparently has no place for the trades since there is a push for "free" college for everyone. The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you.

1952henry · 02-02-2016, 09:01 PM

Thanks for the good words, fellas!

itslow · 02-03-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

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Originally Posted by Pete

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Is it really intended to be humor? I guess I "misunderestimated" the context.

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Originally Posted by 1952henry

...The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you

That's on the high end (upper end of the top 10%). The top paying jobs in the industry are extremely demanding; not something that most people are interested in doing.
http://awo.aws.org/2015/03/show-me-t...cross-the-u-s/

moefuzz · 02-02-2016, 08:10 PM

That is a good one Henry...

Alaska Jim · 02-02-2016, 10:26 PM

I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

Tim Ayers · 02-03-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alaska Jim

I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

I agree with you (I'm in education), but the more I look around, the more it seems to be a regional thing. Take NJ or the Northeast, they are doing away with some shops classes, but are adding CNC operating and 3D printing in others.

I watched a show on the new European fighter jet Typhoon. It seems like it is one of the most advanced fighters in the world right now. The materials they are using are extremely high tech. Carbon fiber, fly by wire controls, uber sophisticated electronics and weapons systems. They may not need to be a welder, but sure as heck do these workers need to know high skill sets in order to work on these planes.

Talk to your local body shops and ask them if it's the same job it was 20-30 years ago. I'd be surprised if any one of them answered "yes".

The reason I point this out is time marches on. The skill of welding two steel objects may not be as needed today, but there are other aspects of skilled labor that are.

For example, the auto techs that are making the big bucks and not getting themselves too dirty are the trouble shooters. These are the guys that come in with their laptop to figure out a problem with one of the car's operating systems. They make more an hour than someone who wrenches, but there are few of these types of folks in the field. Thusly, high demand and higher wages.

It would be irresponsible to not expose a student to this aspect of automotive repair. Right, wrong or different, computer controls are a part of our lives and will be from now on.

STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) is a big push right now. In my elementary school, kids learn the design process, how to build a prototype, and then how to test it. If it fails, back to the drawing board.

Now down south in N. Carolina, I was surprised to see how many skill-related classes they offer in their high schools. Everything from machine shop to agriculture-related classes.

I am one of the biggest supporters of shop classes in school. If you hear of this going on in your town, please do your part and go to a board of ed. meeting and fight for it. You'd be surprised how many people don't do this, but yet go nuts after it's be disbanded.

In closing, if anyone of you have young children or grandkids, buy them Legos, Lincoln Logs, etc. Encourage them to build things. It is the skill of taking a vision and turning into a product is what is going to be in demand in our future job market.

Rowdy · 02-03-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

For example, the auto techs that are making the big bucks and not getting themselves too dirty are the trouble shooters. These are the guys that come in with their laptop to figure out a problem with one of the car's operating systems. They make more an hour than someone who wrenches, but there are few of these types of folks in the field. Thusly, high demand and higher wages.

It would be irresponsible to not expose a student to this aspect of automotive repair. Right, wrong or different, computer controls are a part of our lives and will be from now on.

That is pretty much what my current job consists of. The newer Crown Forktrucks I work on have 5 computers on them. While I do get dirty because they are not clean machines. Most of my time consists of replacing sensors, realibrations and at times updating the computers. I still have the mechanical skills to do the other work in maintenance in a 20 acre warehouse. Early on in my emoyment in the warehouse the maintenance management seen that I had the understanding of the electronics of the lifts that they sent me to the Crown Equipment training center for a couple of weeks. Now most of the work I am assigned is troubleshooting and less heavy physical work. Rod

Diavolo · 02-02-2016, 10:27 PM

Back on topic, can you imagine the old ones around the water cooler when gas welding came out?

"Young whipper snappers have lost the art of forge welding with an anvil and a sledge, like we used to..."

Technology marches on. Just look at the cool stuff we have today. Also, there are still craftsmen who do weld, and still blacksmiths that swing a hammer and operate a forge. There are also some excellent epoxies and bonding agents that do an excellent job for a part that is never intended to be taken apart again.

02-02-2016, 01:28 PM	#1
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,082	Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Visit this web page. Very interesting. http://awo.aws.org/category/resource-library/blog/ __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

02-02-2016, 03:36 PM	#2
ReggieK Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Troutman, NC Posts: 119	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Very interesting Lawson, Thanks for posting. Reggie

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1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,786	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs. Last edited by 1952henry; 02-02-2016 at 06:13 PM.

02-02-2016, 06:09 PM	#6
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,917	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Well, "weld replacement" adhesives have been around for some time. Back in the '90's-'00's, Lord Fusor was all the rage. They have their place, but there times when nothing beats a quality weld.

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Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? About 6 years ago when I was still working for Monroe and running one of the tubing cutters we had a maintenance guy in his 20's. We had a break down that the only proper repair was to braze the parts back together. I was shocked that he had no clue how to braze. Ended up brazing it myself while he watched. He learned alittle but it seems these skills are no longer taught. I learned how to braze at 8 years old, so consider it one of the most basic skills. While I do not do it often have always been glad I learned. In my current job I solder almost every day. Another one of the skills I learned before I was even old enough to drive. Some skills will always have a place. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

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tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,633	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

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petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 10,145	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? 1952henry's signatures are the best!!!

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Sixseven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 508	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

02-02-2016, 09:01 PM	#14
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,786	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Thanks for the good words, fellas! __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

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moefuzz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Under A Clean V8 Posts: 228	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? That is a good one Henry...

02-02-2016, 10:26 PM	#17
Alaska Jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 1,587	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

02-02-2016, 10:27 PM	#20
Diavolo Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 67	Re: Is soldering/welding a thing of the past?? Back on topic, can you imagine the old ones around the water cooler when gas welding came out? "Young whipper snappers have lost the art of forge welding with an anvil and a sledge, like we used to..." Technology marches on. Just look at the cool stuff we have today. Also, there are still craftsmen who do weld, and still blacksmiths that swing a hammer and operate a forge. There are also some excellent epoxies and bonding agents that do an excellent job for a part that is never intended to be taken apart again.