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Lawson Cox 02-02-2016 01:28 PM

Is soldering/welding a thing of the past??
 

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ReggieK 02-02-2016 03:36 PM

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Very interesting Lawson, Thanks for posting.
Reggie

1952henry 02-02-2016 06:03 PM

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Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

Tim Ayers 02-02-2016 06:09 PM

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Well, "weld replacement" adhesives have been around for some time. Back in the '90's-'00's, Lord Fusor was all the rage. They have their place, but there times when nothing beats a quality weld.

Rowdy 02-02-2016 06:21 PM

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About 6 years ago when I was still working for Monroe and running one of the tubing cutters we had a maintenance guy in his 20's. We had a break down that the only proper repair was to braze the parts back together. I was shocked that he had no clue how to braze. Ended up brazing it myself while he watched. He learned alittle but it seems these skills are no longer taught. I learned how to braze at 8 years old, so consider it one of the most basic skills. While I do not do it often have always been glad I learned. In my current job I solder almost every day. Another one of the skills I learned before I was even old enough to drive. Some skills will always have a place. Rod

Pete 02-02-2016 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry (Post 1234543)
Never messed with adhesives, but have heard good things.

I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

uncle max 02-02-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 1234595)
I wonder how many people read "signatures"?
Your's are 2 of my favorites.

Ditto. 10-4. Copy.

tubman 02-02-2016 07:52 PM

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Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

Pete 02-02-2016 07:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman (Post 1234606)
Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

petehoovie 02-02-2016 08:04 PM

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1952henry's signatures are the best!!!

uncle max 02-02-2016 08:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 1234609)
You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Legitimate!

Sixseven 02-02-2016 08:04 PM

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No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

moefuzz 02-02-2016 08:10 PM

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That is a good one Henry...

1952henry 02-02-2016 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixseven (Post 1234614)
No one learns trades in High School anymore. I was glad for shop classes since I could bring in my auto parts and make repairs there when I didn't have the equipment at home. Todays High School students are told that they must strive for college. This inadvertently sends the message that these skills have no value. Adhesives are good for some things, welding for other things, maintaining production equipment probably requires more rounded knowledge than most get these days huh?

The "new" economy apparently has no place for the trades since there is a push for "free" college for everyone. The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you.

1952henry 02-02-2016 09:01 PM

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Thanks for the good words, fellas!

Alaska Jim 02-02-2016 10:26 PM

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I have always been thank for all the "shop" classes I was able to take in high school. it helped me make a pretty good living and enabled me to retire. I don't know when they stopped having these classes. I became aware of it some time in the late 80's. The shop classes enabled me to compete in the 1968 Plymouth trouble shooting contest in Bell Calif. I was in my senior year in high school. I think the educational system is doing a great dis-service to the youth of today by not offering shop classes, and not just automotive classes. I took wood shop , auto shop, and also some leather and lapendary ( sp ? ) classes. not every body wants to be a Dr. or Lawyer, etc.

Diavolo 02-02-2016 10:27 PM

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Back on topic, can you imagine the old ones around the water cooler when gas welding came out?

"Young whipper snappers have lost the art of forge welding with an anvil and a sledge, like we used to..."

Technology marches on. Just look at the cool stuff we have today. Also, there are still craftsmen who do weld, and still blacksmiths that swing a hammer and operate a forge. There are also some excellent epoxies and bonding agents that do an excellent job for a part that is never intended to be taken apart again.

Frank Miller 02-03-2016 08:47 AM

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"The most promising application for MesoGlue is as a solder replacement for the room temperature welding of pipes..."

This sentence from the article bothered me as I always understood welding and soldering to be different things. True they both join metals but I view them as different as welding and gluing.
That being said, the metals used in cars today is markedly different than what was used years ago. Some do not take kindly to welding and panels are routinely glued by body shops. The metal does not work as easy either. I can remember brazing being common place in autobody shops but I'm guessing you will not find it today. The cheapness of MIG welders has made it obsolete. Not many can do gas welding either. I know someone who just bought a TIG welder for under a thousand dollars. So far he loves it and is very skilled in the sheet metal craft. He is going to be making a video on tuning a Harbor freight English wheel. He says for the money you can't beat it. When I was a kid his stuff was unheard of.
And lastly the computers have made writers, researchers and philosophers out of all of us.

flatheadmurre 02-03-2016 09:19 AM

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Glue isnt a bad thing in some aplications but its damn hard to use on anything thats been around for a while, dirt oil and oxide and the bond is not to trust.

itslow 02-03-2016 09:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman (Post 1234606)
Politics have no place on a forum such as this one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 1234609)
You do not have to be politically aligned to enjoy some subtle humor.

Is it really intended to be humor? I guess I "misunderestimated" the context.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry (Post 1234648)
...The welders at work make almost $40/hour., granted they are certified. That's a bit more than many degrees will get you

That's on the high end (upper end of the top 10%). The top paying jobs in the industry are extremely demanding; not something that most people are interested in doing.
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