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Dusty · 03-07-2012, 06:42 PM

Will Reinforcing Bands for the drums help with brake fade?

dusty

VWJoe · 03-07-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Will Reinforcing Bands for the drums help with brake fade?

dusty

YEP,,,,

Joe

Keith True · 03-07-2012, 06:59 PM

Yes they will.New cast is the way to go,but if money is limited and your drums are not real bad they will do a good job.I've put lots of them on,not one person had a complaint.Of course,every one of them had waited until they had to throw out an anchor to slow down.I put a lot of them on at a place I worked at in high school,the guy used to buy them in wooden barrels.In the early 70's he still had a half dozen barrels left.The biggest things he showed me about installing them was to make sure there were no burrs,or lumps and bumps of any kind on both the drum and band.If there is a weld on the band make sure it is filed perfectly flat before you install it.

Dusty · 03-07-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith True

Yes they will.New cast is the way to go,but if money is limited and your drums are not real bad they will do a good job.I've put lots of them on,not one person had a complaint.Of course,every one of them had waited until they had to throw out an anchor to slow down.I put a lot of them on at a place I worked at in high school,the guy used to buy them in wooden barrels.In the early 70's he still had a half dozen barrels left.The biggest things he showed me about installing them was to make sure there were no burrs,or lumps and bumps of any kind on both the drum and band.If there is a weld on the band make sure it is filed perfectly flat before you install it.

My drums are in very good shape cosmetically and the brakes works well until they are used frequently. Long grades and around town the brakes just seems to just go away and at times like these I have to stand on the peddle and I still don't think its going to stop.

As part of my winter project I looked hard at the brakes and found everything in very very good condition, the linings look to have even wear (and not much)and all the mechanics of the system look like the were rebuilt yesterday.

Barry B./ Ma. · 03-07-2012, 07:12 PM

I have them on the front of the roadster and they don't have any noticeable brake fade. Good for many miles.

VWJoe · 03-07-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

My drums are in very good shape cosmetically and the brakes works well until they are used frequently. Long grades and around town the brakes just seems to just go away and at times like these I have to stand on the peddle and I still don't think its going to stop.

As part of my winter project I looked hard at the brakes and found everything in very very good condition, the linings look to have even wear (and not much)and all the mechanics of the system look like the were rebuilt yesterday.

Did you check the inside diameter of the b/drums. If they are to thin
(0.060") then when braking, the heat causes the thin drum to expand (get larger) increasing pedal travel. The bands help limit expansion

Joe,,,

Dusty · 03-07-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VWJoe

Did you check the inside diameter of the b/drums. If they are to thin
(0.060") then when braking, the heat causes the thin drum to expand (get larger) increasing pedal travel. The bands help limit expansion

Joe,,,

Joe, I have not measured them but I highly suspect this is the problem, like I said when their cold they are pretty darn good but it don't take long for that to go away

thanks all...got my Snyder's catalog out as we speak however I must speak to the high minister of finances first(could be a long night)

dusty

Patrick L. · 03-08-2012, 07:24 AM

Steels drums are supposed to be .140-.150" thick and shouldn't be used [IMHO] if less than about .125-.130".. I believe Ford didn't want them turned/cut at all..

VWJoe · 03-08-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Joe, I have not measured them but I highly suspect this is the problem, like I said when their cold they are pretty darn good but it don't take long for that to go away

thanks all...got my Snyder's catalog out as we speak however I must speak to the high minister of finances first(could be a long night)

dusty

Dusty:

You can measure them yourself. You don't need any fancy b/drum mic. Just use a tape measure and measure across the inside of the b/drum diameter where the b/shoes make contact. It should read about 11.0" inches. If it shows 11.1/16'' inches (0.062" over), the drums are throw-aways. Remember, the two most important systems on any vehicle are the braking system and the steering system. You gotta be able to steer it and you gotta be able to stop it. Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

Joe,,,,

Charlie Stephens · 03-08-2012, 12:03 PM

Dusty,

Remember that you will may have to have the drums turned after you install the bands. If you are over .060 on the diameter most shops will not turn the drums. It is good that they will not turn them because they are neither safe nor legal (in many states). No one mentioned that you cool the drums in the freezer and heat the bands in the oven to install them. They should drop right on.

Charlie Stephens

Dusty · 03-08-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VWJoe

Dusty:

You can measure them yourself. You don't need any fancy b/drum mic. Just use a tape measure and measure across the inside of the b/drum diameter where the b/shoes make contact. It should read about 11.0" inches. If it shows 11.1/16'' inches (0.062" over), the drums are throw-aways. Remember, the two most important systems on any vehicle are the braking system and the steering system. You gotta be able to steer it and you gotta be able to stop it. Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

Joe,,,,

Joe I measured and they are right at 11 inches, also thanks to all.

dusty

Paul_nz · 03-09-2012, 11:10 PM

I have installed a set on the front of my 28 Tudor, it did suffer from fade with the steel drums, but it is now so much better. I have yet to do the rear drums. I would certainly recommend the bands.

Roger V · 03-10-2012, 09:49 AM

I have them on an A I did twenty-five years ago and they will stop as good as the two I have cast iron on. I don't recall the thickness on the steel but know they were not marginal. Besides adding thickness and rigidity, they disapate (sp.) heat. Besides making sure the flat mounted side of the band is burr, etc. free, I die grind the inner channel weld to match the contour. Looks better and may help with balance.

VWJoe's statement of braking and steering being the most important sytems on an A are absolutely true! That stone guard, step plates, etc. are not going to save your life....

03-07-2012, 06:42 PM	#1
Dusty Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lincolnton, Georgia Posts: 723	Reinforcing Bands Will Reinforcing Bands for the drums help with brake fade? dusty

03-07-2012, 06:59 PM	#3
Keith True Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Epping N.H. Posts: 3,423	Re: Reinforcing Bands Yes they will.New cast is the way to go,but if money is limited and your drums are not real bad they will do a good job.I've put lots of them on,not one person had a complaint.Of course,every one of them had waited until they had to throw out an anchor to slow down.I put a lot of them on at a place I worked at in high school,the guy used to buy them in wooden barrels.In the early 70's he still had a half dozen barrels left.The biggest things he showed me about installing them was to make sure there were no burrs,or lumps and bumps of any kind on both the drum and band.If there is a weld on the band make sure it is filed perfectly flat before you install it.

03-07-2012, 07:12 PM	#5
Barry B./ Ma. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southbridge, Ma. Posts: 1,614	Re: Reinforcing Bands I have them on the front of the roadster and they don't have any noticeable brake fade. Good for many miles.

03-08-2012, 07:24 AM	#8
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: Reinforcing Bands Steels drums are supposed to be .140-.150" thick and shouldn't be used [IMHO] if less than about .125-.130".. I believe Ford didn't want them turned/cut at all..

03-08-2012, 12:03 PM	#10
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,305	Re: Reinforcing Bands Dusty, Remember that you will may have to have the drums turned after you install the bands. If you are over .060 on the diameter most shops will not turn the drums. It is good that they will not turn them because they are neither safe nor legal (in many states). No one mentioned that you cool the drums in the freezer and heat the bands in the oven to install them. They should drop right on. Charlie Stephens

03-09-2012, 11:10 PM	#12
Paul_nz Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 66	Re: Reinforcing Bands I have installed a set on the front of my 28 Tudor, it did suffer from fade with the steel drums, but it is now so much better. I have yet to do the rear drums. I would certainly recommend the bands.

03-10-2012, 09:49 AM	#13
Roger V Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,593	Re: Reinforcing Bands I have them on an A I did twenty-five years ago and they will stop as good as the two I have cast iron on. I don't recall the thickness on the steel but know they were not marginal. Besides adding thickness and rigidity, they disapate (sp.) heat. Besides making sure the flat mounted side of the band is burr, etc. free, I die grind the inner channel weld to match the contour. Looks better and may help with balance. VWJoe's statement of braking and steering being the most important sytems on an A are absolutely true! That stone guard, step plates, etc. are not going to save your life....