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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 06:56 AM

I tore my truck down to the frame last night. The Master Cylinder bracket is busted off.

Does anyone know of a source for a replacement? Someone with a junk frame, or upgraded brakes? I know I can fab one, but would rather just find a replacement.

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62pan · 11-01-2021, 08:07 AM

The master cylinder bracket is part of the brake and clutch. Those are not that hard to find. Should be some in the swap section or ebay.

Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 08:39 AM

Not on my truck. It is riveted to the frame.

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rich b · 11-01-2021, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Shampipple

Not on my truck. It is riveted to the frame.

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Maybe post some pictures to see what you have going on; because riveted on is not at all normal for Ford.

Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 09:37 AM

Brake and clutch pivot

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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 09:38 AM

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What’s left of the bracket. You can see the Clevis for the plunger rod.

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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 09:42 AM

Better pic of lever and bracket remnants.

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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 09:44 AM

I may have just answered my own question. I see that support has two holes in it. I’m guessing someone used that for the master?

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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 09:48 AM

I am wondering if this is a 38 frame with a home brewed hydraulic setup.

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Mart · 11-01-2021, 11:51 AM

^^ Yes, it looks like that is the case. The frame and pedals are pre-hydraulic. It might be easier to find a 39 pedal assembly. If you can't find an original one they are available new repro.
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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 12:02 PM

I just purchased what I hope is an original.

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38bill · 11-01-2021, 12:57 PM

If you have a '39 commercial car frame (1/2T) the '39 pedal assembly should fit right in. If its a '38 frame there are modifications that need to be done. Look for the vin number on the top of the frame, drivers side, about 12" forward of the firewall and that will tell you what you have.

Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 01:25 PM

Thanks Bill

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V8COOPMAN · 11-01-2021, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shampipple

I just purchased what I hope is an original.

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This is an original '39 set of pedals. The bracket AND EACH pedal will have a "91A-" prefix in the number on each piece of '39 pedals. DD

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Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 02:08 PM

It’s a 38 frame. 39 body. 39 juice brakes on the axles.

What will I need to modify to adapt to 39 pedals? Cut the frame?

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1939mars · 11-01-2021, 03:06 PM

Don't know if these will help or not but here they are just in case...

38bill · 11-01-2021, 03:09 PM

You will need to enlarge the hole that the clutch/brake shaft goes through now. Below is a template that should help. You will find that the '39 clutch pedal will hit the '38 frame when fully depressed. The '39 frame has a dimple where the clutch arm contacts the frame. You should heat and form one similar so the clutch pedal has full travel. The clutch arm on the transmission will need to be able to reach the pedal linkage that is now farther to the left. There are some offset arms available but I just made up a new longer shaft and used the stock arm. Of course you will need to install a hydraulic brake light switch.

My '39 pedals lined up perfectly with the metal floorboard.

38bill · 11-01-2021, 03:13 PM

Here is what mine look like installed.

'38 frame/ '39 pedals

Shampipple · 11-01-2021, 03:57 PM

You guys are the best! I really appreciate it.

I’m not new to building cars/machines/tractors etc. Just new to flatheads- I wound up with the 39 pickup, a 50 shoebox, and a 49 parts car within the last year.

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V8COOPMAN · 11-01-2021, 05:15 PM

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It sort of looks like you have a pedal assembly already installed, WITH a master cylinder MOUNTED. A '39 assembly would almost surely bolt-in once you remove what is there. Clutch linkage looks just like '39. I see what looks like a '38 "CABLE BRAKE" sheath indicating that truck likely is a '38, and NOT '39.

Is the serial number stamped on the frame rail LOWER than 18-4,661,001?

DD

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11-01-2021, 06:56 AM	#1
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup I tore my truck down to the frame last night. The Master Cylinder bracket is busted off. Does anyone know of a source for a replacement? Someone with a junk frame, or upgraded brakes? I know I can fab one, but would rather just find a replacement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 08:07 AM	#2
62pan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middletown Pa Posts: 397	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup The master cylinder bracket is part of the brake and clutch. Those are not that hard to find. Should be some in the swap section or ebay.

11-01-2021, 08:39 AM	#3
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup Not on my truck. It is riveted to the frame. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 09:37 AM	#5
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup Brake and clutch pivot Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 09:38 AM	#6
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) What’s left of the bracket. You can see the Clevis for the plunger rod. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 09:42 AM	#7
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup Better pic of lever and bracket remnants. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 09:44 AM	#8
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup I may have just answered my own question. I see that support has two holes in it. I’m guessing someone used that for the master? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 09:48 AM	#9
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup I am wondering if this is a 38 frame with a home brewed hydraulic setup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 11:51 AM	#10
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,088	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup ^^ Yes, it looks like that is the case. The frame and pedals are pre-hydraulic. It might be easier to find a 39 pedal assembly. If you can't find an original one they are available new repro. Mart.

11-01-2021, 12:02 PM	#11
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup I just purchased what I hope is an original. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 12:57 PM	#12
38bill Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,200	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup If you have a '39 commercial car frame (1/2T) the '39 pedal assembly should fit right in. If its a '38 frame there are modifications that need to be done. Look for the vin number on the top of the frame, drivers side, about 12" forward of the firewall and that will tell you what you have.

11-01-2021, 01:25 PM	#13
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup Thanks Bill Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 02:08 PM	#15
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup It’s a 38 frame. 39 body. 39 juice brakes on the axles. What will I need to modify to adapt to 39 pedals? Cut the frame? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 03:57 PM	#19
Shampipple Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 140	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup You guys are the best! I really appreciate it. I’m not new to building cars/machines/tractors etc. Just new to flatheads- I wound up with the 39 pickup, a 50 shoebox, and a 49 parts car within the last year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 29 Model A Roadster, 39 Pickup, 50 Custom Tudor, 66 Mustang Fastback, 79 F350, 02 Thunderbird

11-01-2021, 05:15 PM	#20
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,184	Re: Master Cylinder bracket- 39 Pickup . It sort of looks like you have a pedal assembly already installed, WITH a master cylinder MOUNTED. A '39 assembly would almost surely bolt-in once you remove what is there. Clutch linkage looks just like '39. I see what looks like a '38 "CABLE BRAKE" sheath indicating that truck likely is a '38, and NOT '39. Is the serial number stamped on the frame rail LOWER than 18-4,661,001? DD . __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*