The Ford Barn

jim1932 · 03-23-2016, 02:26 PM

jim1932 · 03-23-2016, 02:27 PM

jim1932 · 03-23-2016, 02:31 PM

Bruce Lancaster · 03-23-2016, 02:35 PM

Upper is 1939 up, if bellhousing says "59" it's '46-8, if prewar lots of little details will ID it properly. Heads are prewar but are easily swapped.
Lower is probably '35-6 but again details are needed to be sure.
Pan should have an extra little lump at RF for vent if '35-6, if none it would be '32-4 with drains identifying '32. All upper parts would be wrong if in this category.
I think the water inlets/mounts will likely have a prefix from part number that would indicate last home...again, I think '35-6.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-23-2016, 02:36 PM

New pic...not '32, pan looks like '33-4 to me. Should lack vent if so.

flatford39 · 03-23-2016, 02:37 PM

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The top pic is a 24 stud 39 -46. It looks like the pumps may be in the heads on the lower picture. 32 thru 37. Do they spin?? That's half the battle getting them apart.

DavidG · 03-23-2016, 02:56 PM

Lower photo, not '32 nor '37. Front motor mount brackets/water inlets and oil pan say '33-'34.

Kube · 03-23-2016, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim1932

Appears to be '39 - '40. However, it might be '41 but can't tell w/o better view of deck for valve chamber cover. If it is flat, it is '39 - '40. If it is raised, it's '41. 1942 - 1948 do not have that 'shelf" above the front gear cover.

jim1932 · 03-23-2016, 04:07 PM

Either desireable for rebuild? Going t look at a B motor. Could package one in if scrap value or slightly above

rotorwrench · 03-23-2016, 05:00 PM

The old motors always have some value but not much unless the block is proven to be sound. If a block is bad, it's only worth the price of the usable cores inside or out. I wouldn't pay much for one that has spent much time out behind a barn. Most old engines were yanked out for a good reason.

jim1932 · 03-23-2016, 07:34 PM

yea I was mainly trying to determine the value of the pieces on it if I assume the block and crank are shot. If I break even on that, I would do it and hope I hit a good block. More optimistic on the 33-34 as at least someone saw fit to cover up the holes on it.

V8ER · 03-23-2016, 08:18 PM

The lower engine has '35 front motor mounts, and pre-'36 heads.

scooder · 03-24-2016, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

Appears to be '39 - '40. However, it might be '41 but can't tell w/o better view of deck for valve chamber cover. If it is flat, it is '39 - '40. If it is raised, it's '41. 1942 - 1948 do not have that 'shelf" above the front gear cover.

Believe it or not, there are blocks with a 59 on the bell that are 221 ci that do have the shelf above the front gear cover. I have one in my pile.
Martin.

Barn Junk · 03-24-2016, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooder

Believe it or not, there are blocks with a 59 on the bell that are 221 ci that do have the shelf above the front gear cover. I have one in my pile.
Martin.

Those are replacement motors for consumer demand as WWII was coming to an end. Ford partially modified their old casting mold boxes to "59" upgrades while retaining some of the old features resulting in those different oddball configurations.

V12Bill · 03-24-2016, 12:55 PM

Picture # 3 is 21 stud 1937 or early 1938

DavidG · 03-24-2016, 01:02 PM

V8ER,

You're right those are '35 front motor mount brackets.

V12Bill,

If the third photo from the top is a '37 or early '38. why are there no water pumps or block-off plates on the front of the block?

V12Bill · 03-24-2016, 02:31 PM

Sorry, I thought I saw center water hose on the heads. On closer inspection, I see the water pumps in the head.

jim1932 · 03-24-2016, 03:55 PM

Worth what? 200 a pop?

03-23-2016, 02:26 PM	#1
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03-23-2016, 02:27 PM	#2
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03-23-2016, 02:35 PM	#4
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: What motors are these? Upper is 1939 up, if bellhousing says "59" it's '46-8, if prewar lots of little details will ID it properly. Heads are prewar but are easily swapped. Lower is probably '35-6 but again details are needed to be sure. Pan should have an extra little lump at RF for vent if '35-6, if none it would be '32-4 with drains identifying '32. All upper parts would be wrong if in this category. I think the water inlets/mounts will likely have a prefix from part number that would indicate last home...again, I think '35-6.

03-23-2016, 02:36 PM	#5
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: What motors are these? New pic...not '32, pan looks like '33-4 to me. Should lack vent if so.

03-23-2016, 02:37 PM	#6
flatford39 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NE Illinois Posts: 499	Re: What motors are these? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The top pic is a 24 stud 39 -46. It looks like the pumps may be in the heads on the lower picture. 32 thru 37. Do they spin?? That's half the battle getting them apart.

03-23-2016, 02:56 PM	#7
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,601	Re: What motors are these? Lower photo, not '32 nor '37. Front motor mount brackets/water inlets and oil pan say '33-'34.

03-23-2016, 04:07 PM	#9
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,810	Re: What motors are these? Either desireable for rebuild? Going t look at a B motor. Could package one in if scrap value or slightly above __________________ Short URL: http://smu.gs/14g7eDW

03-23-2016, 05:00 PM	#10
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 17,410	Re: What motors are these? The old motors always have some value but not much unless the block is proven to be sound. If a block is bad, it's only worth the price of the usable cores inside or out. I wouldn't pay much for one that has spent much time out behind a barn. Most old engines were yanked out for a good reason.

03-23-2016, 07:34 PM	#11
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,810	Re: What motors are these? yea I was mainly trying to determine the value of the pieces on it if I assume the block and crank are shot. If I break even on that, I would do it and hope I hit a good block. More optimistic on the 33-34 as at least someone saw fit to cover up the holes on it. __________________ Short URL: http://smu.gs/14g7eDW

03-23-2016, 08:18 PM	#12
V8ER Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: near Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 442	Re: What motors are these? The lower engine has '35 front motor mounts, and pre-'36 heads.

03-24-2016, 12:55 PM	#15
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: What motors are these? Picture # 3 is 21 stud 1937 or early 1938

03-24-2016, 01:02 PM	#16
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,601	Re: What motors are these? V8ER, You're right those are '35 front motor mount brackets. V12Bill, If the third photo from the top is a '37 or early '38. why are there no water pumps or block-off plates on the front of the block?

03-24-2016, 02:31 PM	#17
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: What motors are these? Sorry, I thought I saw center water hose on the heads. On closer inspection, I see the water pumps in the head.

03-24-2016, 03:55 PM	#18
jim1932 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hancock, MA Posts: 2,810	Re: What motors are these? Worth what? 200 a pop? __________________ Short URL: http://smu.gs/14g7eDW