Ford V3000s

[v3000s]

I am new here I own and restore German WW2 military vehicles, I have recently completed restoration on a 1944 German Ford V3000s.
The link below is a recent run out in Kent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CTpcmezdQ4

Some pictures.

[Barry-ct]

Nice truck! I used to do American Military stuff from WWII. Had a lot of fun with it.

[JSeery]

Nice truck, thanks for posting.

[corvette8n]

Nice truck what are the spec's on it?

[v3000s]

It's a 3.5 ton payload, with a 24 stud flatty, it has a rather unusual gearbox as it is a 5 speed box, the Germans used what's known as a "Gelande" (off road) gear to cope with the Russian mud - and I can vouch for its effectiveness! Then 4 forward gears she runs comfortably at 50 mph in fourth. Stromberg 97 carb and a rear mounted Bosch dizzy.

[47Merc]

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"a rear mounted Bosch dizzy" Whats that? Can we have a picture of it. Please.

[Bruce in southern OH]

GREAT Truck !!!

[Snouts out]

No sealed beams! Why?

[Mart]

Sealed beams?

Maybe the German military production hadn't kept pace with USA civilian product development in the 39-41 period.

Not everything in the US was available worldwide. There was a war on.

Mart.

[Gary-UK]

Very Nice!

[miwi]

Originally Posted by 47Merc

"a rear mounted Bosch dizzy" Whats that? Can we have a picture of it. Please.

The Bosch dizzy is a Bosch distribitor. It was located in a boss on the left side of the block, similar to those of the french blocks.
This is a G29T engine that was installed in the 1948 - 1954 Ford Rhein. Those engines were produced in Cologne Ford plant. It is similar to the G398T engine of the V3000S (1943-1948). The V3000S was the first truck that rolled of the assembly line in Cologne after the war hadd ended. Most of those trucks where build for the Allies until 1948. The G398T had 95hp, while the G29T had either 90 or 95HP. Carb was a Solex30PAAJ.

[v3000s]

Some pictures of the engine bay you can see the Dizzy (Distributor) top right of the two images, the third one is the Typenschild (Data Plate)

[v3000s]

Just to add a little to miwi's post the V3000s was produced from 1941 although from 1943 to the war's end the front end design changed to accommodate the larger radiator as the earlier type was prone to overheating at the same time the wheel arches were also changed to the flat version as on my truck whilst the earlier version had a more bulbous American style wing. the French Ford plant at Poissey near Paris also produced a version of this vehicle (F198T) which was almost identical to the Cologne model but the cab was six inches wider the engine's all used the diving helmet type distributor. In addition to this Poissey also produced a halftrack Maultier (Mule) version.

As for sealed beams all the electrics were Bosch German produced, another quirk is that all the threads and bolt sizes on the German and French engines are metric!

Thanks for the compliments chaps. I will take some specific pictures of the Dizzy for you.

[Mart]

Are you sure about the metric threads?

I have had German and have French motors and 99% of the threads are SAE, normally UNC. One or two exceptions, the exhaust manifold studs on the french motors are unc one end, metric fine the other.

Did they go metric during the war due to lack of sae tooling? And revert after? My German motor was post WW2.

Dunno.

Mart.

[v3000s]

Its an interesting question and one which I cant claim to be able to answer with any degree of authority. The engine in my Ford is not the original engine although its is definitely a wartime unit, that said everything that I have worked on, starter motor, exhaust manifolds, brakes, carb, dizzy and fuel pump are metric, shortly after I acquired the Ford the dynamo packed up so I purchased a Power Master alternator form the States the one that looks just like the dynamo. When I came to fit it the original bolts were no use as they were metric so I had to re tap the thread to take the metric bolts. A friend of mine has a Poissey built F198t and the engine on that is also metric. To the best of my knowledge all European engine and vehicle manufacture was and is Metric, the exception being us Brits who use good ole AF.

[rotorwrench]

The French SUMB truck engines were manufactured later on and had a lot of Unified threads but not all were as Mart mentioned. I think Simca Unic Marmon Bocquet may have done this for NATO supply purposes but I just don't know for certain.

[Mart]

Some of the threads on the peripheral items were metric, but as I was using the motors in cars I discarded all that stuff. All the things like head bolts, inlet manifold and big end studs were UNC.

I have those German water pumps on the French motor in my roadster. I got rebuild kits from Hamber Flatordead in Germany.

Mart.

[miwi]

Originally Posted by v3000s

Its an interesting question and one which I cant claim to be able to answer with any degree of authority. The engine in my Ford is not the original engine although its is definitely a wartime unit, that said everything that I have worked on, starter motor, exhaust manifolds, brakes, carb, dizzy and fuel pump are metric, shortly after I acquired the Ford the dynamo packed up so I purchased a Power Master alternator form the States the one that looks just like the dynamo. When I came to fit it the original bolts were no use as they were metric so I had to re tap the thread to take the metric bolts. A friend of mine has a Poissey built F198t and the engine on that is also metric. To the best of my knowledge all European engine and vehicle manufacture was and is Metric, the exception being us Brits who use good ole AF.

My two French Flatheads (3.9l & 4.2l) have allover UNC or UNF except the bolt to fix the dizzy and the header studs on block side it is UNC on header site it is metric. Don't ask me why but that is original. Stupid french!

[scicala]

Originally Posted by miwi

The Bosch dizzy is a Bosch distribitor. It was located in a boss on the left side of the block, similar to those of the french blocks.
This is a G29T engine that was installed in the 1948 - 1954 Ford Rhein. Those engines were produced in Cologne Ford plant. It is similar to the G398T engine of the V3000S (1943-1948). The V3000S was the first truck that rolled of the assembly line in Cologne after the war hadd ended. Most of those trucks where build for the Allies until 1948. The G398T had 95hp, while the G29T had either 90 or 95HP. Carb was a Solex30PAAJ.

The engine pictured here, appears to have a Rochester model B single barrel carburetor.

Sal

[miwi]

Originally Posted by scicala

The engine pictured here, appears to have a Rochester model B single barrel carburetor.

Sal

Here is a picture of the carb http://www.brandow.eu/div/29GT/dcp05092.html

[Snouts out]

What are the panels on top the hood? Vents,if so how do they work?

[v3000s]

Very interesting - does that engine have a "diving helmet" dizzy or a rear mounted Bosch like mine? if its a "diving helmet" its probably a Poissey built lump.

I am currently looking for a spare Bosch dizzy but not having any luck anyone know of a source? as best as I can make out the number is "ZV/L8M6R1".

[v3000s]

The vents are manually operated and are sprung.

[rheltzel]

Ironic that the power of the Ford flathead V8 was turned against the allies in WWII. Good thing we were able to make 'em faster and in higher quantity than the Nazis!

[scicala]

Originally Posted by miwi

Here is a picture of the carb http://www.brandow.eu/div/29GT/dcp05092.html

Looks like a 3 bolt 2 barrel to a single barrel adaptor and a late 40's/early 50's Rochester model B 1 barrel.
If that engine was made during WWII, it sure had a different carb originally. Rochester B wasn't born yet.

Sal

[rheltzel]

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The engine looks more like an 8ba variant than a WWII A/29A/59AB.

[miwi]

Originally Posted by v3000s

Very interesting - does that engine have a "diving helmet" dizzy or a rear mounted Bosch like mine? if its a "diving helmet" its probably a Poissey built lump.

I am currently looking for a spare Bosch dizzy but not having any luck anyone know of a source? as best as I can make out the number is "ZV/L8M6R1".

Try Old Hot Rod Parts in Germany. It is possible that Mike knows were you can get it or he has some.

[Mart]

That's it - Mike Lange. I could remember it was Mike, but couldn't remember the last name.

I also got one +.045" piston from him when my German motor lunched one. (My fault I think).

Mart.

[scooder]

Originally Posted by miwi

The Bosch dizzy is a Bosch distribitor. It was located in a boss on the left side of the block, similar to those of the french blocks.
This is a G29T engine that was installed in the 1948 - 1954 Ford Rhein. Those engines were produced in Cologne Ford plant. It is similar to the G398T engine of the V3000S (1943-1948). The V3000S was the first truck that rolled of the assembly line in Cologne after the war hadd ended. Most of those trucks where build for the Allies until 1948. The G398T had 95hp, while the G29T had either 90 or 95HP. Carb was a Solex30PAAJ.

The French engine has the ignition mounted on the front with an 8BA style post ignition.
It had an hour meter and other nonsense mounted where the German one carried its ignition.
Martin.

[Mart]

Note the flat blanking plate over the 3 bolt distributor mount. The cam has the drive slot and a distributor can be fitted at the front if desired. I had a German flathead in my '40 and used a crab dist. on a 2 to 3 bolt adaptor.

Mart.

[v3000s]

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Andy

[v3000s]

Gentlemen I have a problem - I have recently replaced the horrid little chromed air filter with a proper oil bath type, I have a new Stromberg 97 carb and anticipating changes in performance I did as the instructions dictate winding the two mixture screws full in and the winding them out two full turns and adjusting from there. My problem is that the engine always runs sweetly on idle but as soon as I give her some "shoe" she runs like a dog, banging and farting all over the place. I have a fuel pressure regulator set 1.5 psi, again as recommended. the plugs are as black as a whores heart and the more I lean it out it starts leaking fuel out of the accelerator pump!

Any ideas chaps?

[flatheadmurre]

Its only idle mixture.
Do they have the right main jets ?
Timing advance working as it should ?

[39topless]

always thought 2.5 p.s.i. was correct. Maybe "new" 97's are set up differently?

[41ford1]

Originally Posted by rheltzel

Ironic that the power of the Ford flathead V8 was turned against the allies in WWII. Good thing we were able to make 'em faster and in higher quantity than the Nazis!

It is ironic isn't it. Here is some interesting reading material:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...nazicars30.htm

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4368

Corporate policy at it's best. Play both sides to ensure you are on the winning side.

[Snouts out]

Running rich,can't adjust it down,accelerater pump leaking when you do! To much pressure?Whydo you have a regulator,some military option?Maybe Uncle Max will weigh in.

[Graeme / New Zealand]

Originally Posted by forever4

Yeah, what you said!

That pic of the Nazis in the Ford plant has to be a photshop job....well done though.

GB

[moefuzz]

Running rich,can't adjust it down,accelerater pump leaking when you do! To much pressure?Whydo you have a regulator,some military option?Maybe Uncle Max will weigh in.

I have a fuel pressure regulator set 1.5 psi,

Just because the 'dial' points toward 1.5 on the regualtor, it does not meant that it is actually regulatating at anywhere near that.-don't assume, especially if the regulator is chinese/manufactured

The only true reading is obtained with a fuel pump gauge and/or vacuum gauge meant for that job.


.....Add another gasket under neath the fuel pump mount AT/On the Intake Manifold/Mount.

This will effectively increase the length in between machined face of intake manifold and base of mount of fuel pump thus reducing fuel pressure.

...It has the same effect as grinding the fuel pump push rod down to shorten it without the grinding/shortening.


Add one gasket and if need be, add another until you have effectively reduced push rod length and fuel pressure.


.

[v3000s]

Thanks Moefuzz that was a terrific suggestion which has made a clear difference!!

[v3000s]

This is a picture of my mate's Ford this is the French model F198T built at Poissey during the war its the same factory that's in the photo with the Germans. Its an earlier model (1941) than mine and as you can see the cab is wider than the German model and uses the Divers Helmet dizzy other than that they are the same.