6 lug bolt pattern

[Bart Stevens]

Can anyone point me to drawings or illustrations showing Ford 6 lug bolt patterns? I'm trying to identify hubs used on my V8 60 powered rail frame midget. It uses mainly Ford parts for the front suspension. It has a narrowed Model A front axle, '32-24 Ford spindles and Ford 6 lug hubs.

I'd like to purchase a couple new hubs but can't seem to find their origin.

I've talked to some Ford tractor guys and they say they are not 9N or 8N.

Any help or leads would be great. Thanks!

Bart

[Bob C]

Probably 8N Ford tractor.

Bob

[hook00pad]

My first thought was that they look like my '54 NAA Ford hubs, but I think they are the same as 8N.

[BUBBAS IGNITION]

My guess is thats a Model T back half hub for a wood wheel. Someone drilled the hub and welded in the studs.
A wood model T hub had six bolts..

Thats how you could have done it back then , beats me on the wheel used though..

[Fordors]

Model T? Some T's used twelve spoke wooden wheels with six lugs, but I have no idea about adapting T hubs to early V-8 spindles. Machine work on hub or spindle, bearing swap? With the T spindle being simpler I would like to see the spindles on your midget, I'm betting they were machined for T hubs.

[Fordors]

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Bart, I looked back at your post and judging by the dimensions in the top right photo I would say the spindle is shortened about 1" (just an estimate) compared to an original '32-'34.

[Pete]

It looks like a 6 on 5 sprint car/midget hub. Pretty much standard on vintage circle track cars till spline drives came in.. Still available from a lot of small race car equipment suppliers.

[Bob C]

I guess it doesn't look like 8N or T unless the outer end of the T was cut off.

Bob

[Bob C]

Originally Posted by Pete

It looks like a 6 on 5 sprint car/midget hub. Pretty much standard on vintage circle track cars till spline drives came in.. Still available from a lot of small race car equipment suppliers.

But it has a Ford script on it.

Bob

[Pete]

I will see if any of my ancient friends have any info.

[CarlG]

Didn't the 3/4 ton F2 pickups have 6 lugs?

[Mike B]

Originally Posted by CarlG

Didn't the 3/4 ton F2 pickups have 6 lugs?

I had a Ford truck chassis with the 6 lug pattern, but is was a fairly wide pattern, i/e much wider than the front of tractor hubs or GM 6 lugs would be.

[dumb person]

Pretty sure it is a T hub with the end cut short and a bearing fitted somehow. Or appears that way in the pictures.

[Bart Stevens]

Originally Posted by BUBBAS IGNITION

My guess is thats a Model T back half hub for a wood wheel. Someone drilled the hub and welded in the studs.
A wood model T hub had six bolts..

Thats how you could have done it back then , beats me on the wheel used though..

The hubs show no signs of being 5 lug that were welded up and redrilled.

Also inside the smaller (outer) bearing casting a S inside a circle just past where the race stops.

I have plenty of wheels. There are lots of steel and magnesium 12" midget wheels available that fit the bolt pattern.

This is a finished car I'm doing some updates to.

[Bart Stevens]

Originally Posted by dumb person

Pretty sure it is a T hub with the end cut short and a bearing fitted somehow. Or appears that way in the pictures.

Thanks.

I'll look into that. I've seen many midgets with T front axles.

Bart

[scrapiron]

Six lug wheels were/are used on a lot of ag equipment.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by scrapiron

Six lug wheels were/are used on a lot of ag equipment.

Don't forget the fact that there is a "FORD" script on THIS hub. DD

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Pete

I will see if any of my ancient friends have any info.

As promised.
I talked to several of the biggest names in the industry, (all retired but still get together for coffee) and they said "model T".

[billwill]

1950 Ford f2 trucks Where eight Lug Wheels Good Luck

[russcc]

Early midgets used a lot of model T parts like frames, axles, cross members, so more than likely they are T.

[Bart Stevens]

Originally Posted by russcc

Early midgets used a lot of model T parts like frames, axles, cross members, so more than likely they are T.

This morning I spoke with Jim Etter, a well know expert in vintage race cars & race car parts, and he agrees. He thinks it is a 1927 T hub that would have been used with the wire wheel option.

I'll now follow that lead.

Thanks guys!

Bart

[Bob C]

I think the wire wheels were 5 lug not 6.

Bob

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Bob C

I think the wire wheels were 5 lug not 6.

Bob

Yup, 5-lug on the wires! DD

[Fordors]

I drew this sketch from a photo copied book I have, "The Complete Ray Kuns Auto Racing Book". Ford based midget spindles typically had these modifications and in addition to being shortened they also had the backing plate portion of the forging machined off. Kuns also mentions hubs, but details are sketchy.
As shown in the text- Front hubs are Model T machined to fit the spindles which, as previously explained, are converted Model A. When working the front hubs it is necessary to cut them off near the rear of the recessed portion of the hub and bore them out for installation of the race which carries the outer wheel hub bearing.
No mention of the particular hub used but I still believe they would be wooden wheel Model T. Also any modification to the Model A spindles is obviously adaptable to Early V8 spindles as well.

[russcc]

More on 6 lug hubs. My friend Dan who restore & races vintage midgets told me that the early ones used model T front & rear axles, frames and other running gear. They used the 6 lug hub by cutting off the exterior part of the T wheel and welding it into a 12" wheel. See photo of the front wheel with the 6 lug hub/wheel
Dan fabricated the frame and body himself and used many T running gear in it's construction.

[Bart Stevens]

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Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

Yup, 5-lug on the wires! DD

Yes, I found this out.

Originally Posted by Fordors

I drew this sketch from a photo copied book I have, "The Complete Ray Kuns Auto Racing Book".

Good lead, I have this book I'll get it out and take a look.

Originally Posted by russcc

My friend Dan who restore & races vintage midgets told me that the early ones used model T front & rear axles, frames and other running gear.

That is true that SOME midgets used Model T running gear but not all of them.

Thanks guys!

Bart