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Old 05-26-2017, 11:01 PM   #1
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You don't see many 1960 Fords these days. This model was never sold in Australia, but over the years, a few have found their way here. When released, it has been stated that they were a fraction wider than some States allowed, which meant that they couldn't be sold in some States until this problem was sorted out. Style wise, they were one year ahead of Chevrolet by eliminating the "dog-leg" windscreen pillar. This model also saw Ford do away with the round taillights, but they would revert back to round taillights again in 1961. This survivor 1960 Ford Galaxie Sedan was for sale at Del Mar this year. It is a pity that more of this model are not seen, as they are quite a nice looking car, although many will disagree with me?
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I have always liked the '60 model Ford ! Wish there were more around my area .
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The 60 two door hardtop is one of the prettiest cars ever built by anybody.
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That rear 3/4 view shows Ford's lame attempt to copy '59 Chevy tail fins. I thought they were ugly in 1960 and still do. But, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Just my opinion.
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With the roof trim it looks like a 4 dr Starliner. I've got a '60 Starliner I'll never part with. Had a '60 Sunliner when I was a kid. Love '60 fords. Like 40 Deluxe says, you either love 'em or hate 'em. Nobody seems in the middle on them.
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If you go back and look at the numbers, we had a recession ending in 1958, a Fed rate increase in 1959, and another recession in 1960. Economy didn't recover till 1962. Car sales for all makes reflect that. So the small numbers of 60's fords had to compete with the 61's and 62's at the bottom of the used market. By then, an old 61 Starliner or Thunderbird wasn't a lot more than a 1960, and a lot better looking. Go to all all Chevy show and the lack of 59 and 60 chevy's also reflect this. Add in the lack of performance of the early 332 and 352 FE's (I know there were some exceptions, but they were rare) and a couple years newer with a 390 made more sense. Like the Edsel, some of it was the luck of the draw on the economy.

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To me, the real prize for a '60 Ford would be the Custom 300 2 door sedan with the 352/360 HP special high perf engine. Or a Sunliner/Starliner with the same engine.

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My first car was a '60 Ford 2 door post, in 1965.
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Wouldn't you hate to be caught driving this ugly thing in public ???

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Yes, Sal. An acquaintance has a 60, 61, and 62, all original numbers matching cars. I really don't remember the particulars, but they are all the high performance (and I think tri power) FE's. Pretty rare, and not overly restored. Keeping with "period correct" the Stanley thermos in the trunk is normally full of gin martinis.
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I'd take a 60 in a heart beat, not many around at all
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Lanny, Here is your picture enlarged. Those 60 Starliners are great looking cars. Thanks for sharing.
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Yes, Sal. An acquaintance has a 60, 61, and 62, all original numbers matching cars. I really don't remember the particulars, but they are all the high performance (and I think tri power) FE's. Pretty rare, and not overly restored. Keeping with "period correct" the Stanley thermos in the trunk is normally full of gin martinis.
For those of us thick between the ears, please explain numbers matching on a Ford.
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Lanny, Here is your picture enlarged. Those 60 Starliners are great looking cars. Thanks for sharing.

A real beauty, except the fad bling wheels.
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For those of us thick between the ears, please explain numbers matching on a Ford.
While it's true that Ford didn't put matching serial numbers on major drivetrain parts like some other manufacturers... there are specific casting numbers on many of those parts, along with date codes. These numbers and codes do allow you to determine the year the part was (first) used and in most/some cases, the date the part was made.
With the date code from the ID plate of the car, if the casting and date codes of the misc cast parts fall within a period of 30 to 60 days before the car was built, and the part was originally available on that model, those parts are generally considered to be 'matching'.

Also... most serial number/data plates have code letters & numbers for the 'as built' options in the drivetrain in addition to exterior & interior colors and maybe some other options.
If the car and it's driveline parts, options, etc. appear as listed on it's data plate the car can be said to be 'numbers matching'.

Here are several links to help determine what may be 'matching'. Most apply to the late 50's cars (found them in relation to the car I'm working on) but if you need info about newer/other cars just do an internet search for it.

http://www.fordification.com/tech/pa...s_overview.htm

http://www.fordification.com/tech/datecodes.htm

http://www.y-block.info/castings.html

http://ford-y-block.com/technical.htm

https://thecvaonline.com/howtos/DataPlateDecoder.pdf

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...INdecode-1.htm

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...49-59partA.htm

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...49-59partB.htm

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Yes, I used the term incorrectly. I should have said "well documented". dmsfrr did a better job of explaining that than I could have. Among other things, he's got all the dealer info when the cars were ordered and or delivered.
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For you 1960 Ford Fans, here is another beauty, a 1960 Ford Country Sedan. While not many of this model are seen these days, they are definitely not forgotten. Enjoy.
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A friend has a couple '60 Starliners, and he tells me they are the largest model Ford ever built.

Never checked that out.
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I wasn't a big fan of the early 60's Fords but I do think the 60 is a way better looking car than the 59. The 60 Edsel IMO was much better looking than the Ford.
Today, the 60 Ford is a much nicer looking car than the crap that comes off all the assembly lines now.


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHGV8-wMTsQ

Nice 60 done in a touch of NASCAR trim ... glad to see they put a 390 in it too.
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Hot Rod Reverend, Thanks for posting this Link to the video of this 1960 Ford Starliner
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While it's true that Ford didn't put matching serial numbers on major drivetrain parts like some other manufacturers... there are specific casting numbers on many of those parts, along with date codes. These numbers and codes do allow you to determine the year the part was (first) used and in most/some cases, the date the part was made.
With the date code from the ID plate of the car, if the casting and date codes of the misc cast parts fall within a period of 30 to 60 days before the car was built, and the part was originally available on that model, those parts are generally considered to be 'matching'.

Also... most serial number/data plates have code letters & numbers for the 'as built' options in the drivetrain in addition to exterior & interior colors and maybe some other options.
If the car and it's driveline parts, options, etc. appear as listed on it's data plate the car can be said to be 'numbers matching'.

Here are several links to help determine what may be 'matching'. Most apply to the late 50's cars (found them in relation to the car I'm working on) but if you need info about newer/other cars just do an internet search for it.

http://www.fordification.com/tech/pa...s_overview.htm

http://www.fordification.com/tech/datecodes.htm

http://www.y-block.info/castings.html

http://ford-y-block.com/technical.htm

https://thecvaonline.com/howtos/DataPlateDecoder.pdf

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...INdecode-1.htm

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...49-59partA.htm

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...49-59partB.htm

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I do somewhat understand Ford's numbering system. "Numbers matching" was once a term only used by the GM people, where it means something completely different. On GM you could tell if major components were the one's a car left the factory with. On a Ford you can only tell if the part number and date code are consistent with ones built within a time frame the car would have been manufactured in. So a diligent restorer of a Ford can install a different part and still have it be consistent with the numbering system. On a GM, that's not possible. So even though the term has crept out of the GM camp and over to ours, it isn't the same thing. To the best of my understanding.
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Most of the ones I recall in NY were serious rust buckets, one a neighbor had was literally rusted up to the door handles.
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... "Numbers matching" was once a term only used by the GM people, where it means something completely different. On GM you could tell if major components were the one's a car left the factory with. On a Ford you can only tell if the part number and date code are consistent with ones built within a time frame the car would have been manufactured in. So a diligent restorer of a Ford can install a different part and still have it be consistent with the numbering system. On a GM, that's not possible. So even though the term has crept out of the GM camp and over to ours, it isn't the same thing. ...
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How do you like this 1960 Ford Sunliner with the Licence Plates "Slam Liner". These are smooth looking cars. Its just a pity that not many have survived.
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With the exception of the Starliner and maybe the convertible, I always thought they were ugly
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Spotted this 1960 Ford Fairlane 500 Sedan at a car show back in 2003, but haven't seen it since. It must have been sold interstate. This car was factory RHD and must have been imported from New Zealand. The Hubcaps are off a 57 Ford. One thing that is different regarding the styling of these 1960 Fords is that the Hood is sooo wide, while the Trunk Lid is very narrow?
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Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. IMHO they are best forgotten. Other than the two-door hardtop, I thought the 1960 models were the ugliest ever produced by Ford. My dad was a dealer in those days, and after three years of quality issues with the '57-'59s, he said he almost cried when they unveiled the '60 models. "How in the world will we ever sell that ugly thing?"
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This unloved 60 Sunliner was spotted in LA a few years back. Wonder if it has survived?
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After seeing the 60's on this thread , I might just have to get me one of them .
Thanks guys - another old Ford is just what I need !!
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I remember coming home from school one day and a friend of my fathers who worked at Ford stopped by with his new 1960 Starliner lease car. It was Lavender with a white interior !!!!!! And I thought it was bad Ass !
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There were a number of 60 Fords, including a few Starliners, at the All Ford Show in Carlisle
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This 1960 Ford Sunliner was converted to Right Hand Drive many years ago before the Law changed allowing Left Hand Drive cars over 30 years old to be registered here. Unfortunately, the owner sold it overseas at a big profit. Another 1960 Ford that has disappeared.
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Love them.... and it was one of the worst selling year Ford ever had.
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If y'all thought the '59 was ugly, the '60 took the cake. The next year produced one of the best looking Fords of all time, the '61.
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When I was a kid, and the '59 and '60 Fords were new, I really didn't care for them. But now I love them all. Same goes for the '59 and '61 Chrysler products and GM products.

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Here is another 1960 Ford Sunliner that has made the trip "down under". Notice that it has many Accessories including extra Tail Light Lens plus horizontal Bumper Guards in the rear bumper, also End Tips on the front bumper and more. This is one nice 60 Ford.
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How rare are these Accessories seen on the above 1960 Ford Sunliner. They include extra Bumper tips and guards front and rear, plus an extra Taillights Lens added to the Bumper, duplicating the top Lens. I don't recall seeing these on other 1960 Fords?
What do readers think?
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I don't remember the bumper guards with the rubber inserts, but I do remember seeing the 2nd tail light lens attached to the bumper on a couple of cars way back then. Don't know if it was a factory accessory, or an aftermarket thing. Pretty sure the 2nd taillight wasn't functional.

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I don't remember the bumper guards with the rubber inserts, but I do remember seeing the 2nd tail light lens attached to the bumper on a couple of cars way back then. Don't know if it was a factory accessory, or an aftermarket thing. Pretty sure the 2nd taillight wasn't functional.

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No , lower taillight was not functional . It was more like a reflector .
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My dad had a light blue 60 Ford wagon for a company car when he was a copier service tech for 3M back in the middle 60's. It was a 6, 3 on the tree, and he hated it. He was never much of a Ford guy anyway. I always thought it was cool, and used to sit in the driver's seat and "drive" where ever my little imagination took me. Wish I had that car now...
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This is one of my all time favourite cars. Saw it in a magazine quite a few years ago and I'd have it on my driveway anytime.

The top is chopped and it obviously has air suspension.
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Here is a big picture of this modified 1960 Ford Starliner. They are a good looking model despite some people not liking them.
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Dad traded the family 1954 Ford wagon in on a new 1960 powder blue Country Squire 4 door wagon. He never bought a car for himself with anything but the full size V8 engine. In this case it was the 352. There were 9 of us in the family (including Mom and Dad) so the rear third seat was very necessary. I remember Dad cutting out (or perhaps he bought them already cut to size) the shape of the taillight lens from Scotch red reflective tape, and sticking them to the lower part of the bumper in that recess. This was pretty much the extent of his customizing skills.....a family of 7 children didn't leave anything in the budget for any Barris modifications. All I really wanted was a convertible and we ended up with a hauler......
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Very nice story Mac.

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Unusual item seen at a local Swap a few years back, rear cut from a 1960 Ford Station Wagon. These were never sold in Australia, so it would have been an imported model. Asking price was $200.
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Here is an early picture of a 1960 Ford Sunliner with Poverty Hubcaps and Blackwall tyres. Car was probably near new when this photo was taken. I love these old photos of street views with cars parked in them.
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May be rusty. But class never dies.
Still looks great
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A friend sent me a picture of this 1960 Ford Fairlane Two Door Sedan that resides in North Queensland. A very rare car in Australia.
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Funny that mercman lit this thread again. I was just thinking yesterday as I leafed thru the new Macs catalog for '60s big Fords how little of anything is available for 60 Fords. The common year to year parts yes, but no sheet metal, trim etc. This has always seemed to be the case. Even Crites ignores the cars on fiberglass stuff.
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and they had the best looking dog dish hubcaps ever!
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Yes they did/do !
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I went to a car club meeting last night, and the friend I mentioned back at the beginning was there. I asked if he still had the two '60 Starliners, and he does.

We got to talking, and he told me that one of them had 15,000 original miles. WOW.
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Yes, Sal. An acquaintance has a 60, 61, and 62, all original numbers matching cars. I really don't remember the particulars, but they are all the high performance (and I think tri power) FE's. Pretty rare, and not overly restored. Keeping with "period correct" the Stanley thermos in the trunk is normally full of gin martinis.
Numbers matching is chevy talk, there is no such thing in the Ford world other than having consistent date codes. Not the same though.

When I was young, I didn't think much of a 60, pretty ugly IMO. But a 60 Starliner could set in my garage anyday, Kinda like a Mustang, any coupe or convertible is a yawn but a 2+2 is pretty cool.
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Have had my '60 Starliner since '85. Grandaddy of Ford Total Performance. Fast Freddy Lorenzen cut his rookie teeth in one. Love driving mine down a 2 lane blacktop, looking over the hood and hearing a snarling FE.
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Numbers matching is chevy talk, there is no such thing in the Ford world other than having consistent date codes. Not the same though.
Again... ... a statement such as this is IMO.

To have a correctly assembled car, the Casting ID Nos (assembly parts not service parts), Date Code And foundry code must be correct or it (FORD-LINC-MERC) is not a NUMBERS CORRECT CAR. It must also match the build sheet if one is available or the owner may be hiding it.

Take for just an example, a 61 FORD 390 4V 375HP that came through with the Tri-Power in the trunk for dealer assy. Both engines (375 4V or 401HP 6V) will have the same engine code). The seller would need a factory build sheet to claim the car was a true 3X2 401HP.

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The only things left from the '60 that I had from '65-'68 are the dog dish caps. Some of them are now on my '56 Ford:
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As people are saying, these "one year only" 1960 Ford "dog dish" Hubcaps certainly look great. They were fitted to our local Australian 1960 Fords, which in fact were a carry over of the 1959 Ford Style, as Australia never released the "true" 1960 big Fords. It is strange that they were only used for one model year. Prior to this one the previous one lasted from 1957 - 1959. Then, the 1961 and 1962 lasted two model years. After that, the 1963 and 1964 only lasted a single model year each.
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Have had my '60 Starliner since '85. Grandaddy of Ford Total Performance. Fast Freddy Lorenzen cut his rookie teeth in one. Love driving mine down a 2 lane blacktop, looking over the hood and hearing a snarling FE.




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Does your '60 Starliner by any chance have the rare 352/360 HP engine ?


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I might have 3 or 4, definitely driver quality. Will see if I can find them, will bring them over next week if I do.
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Again... ... a statement such as this is IMO.

To have a correctly assembled car, the Casting ID Nos (assembly parts not service parts), Date Code And foundry code must be correct or it (FORD-LINC-MERC) is not a NUMBERS CORRECT CAR. It must also match the build sheet if one is available or the owner may be hiding it.

Take for just an example, a 61 FORD 390 4V 375HP that came through with the Tri-Power in the trunk for dealer assy. Both engines (375 4V or 401HP 6V) will have the same engine code). The seller would need a factory build sheet to claim the car was a true 3X2 401HP.

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http://www.vtohtx.com/M_Code_3_page_Fact_Sheet__v2_.pdf



True but also Ford ran batches of intakes, heads ect You could very easi;y have parts with date codes 2-3 months older than the build date of the car I did read that whole article, very interest but nothing really on numbers matching Maybe you could clue me in on what numbers are supposed to match

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Purist collectors WILL INDEED demand correct date codes and casting numbers on certain rare Fords. Also, there are certain numbers stamped into high performance blocks, for example, that identify them as such. A friend showed me this recently on a Super Cobra Jet block which allowed the potential buyer to identify it as "the one" he had when new. I agree that some GM models can have matching serial numbers such as the same as the VIN on some components, but I think most do not; I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think I'm right that not very many GM models can claim this other than that, like Ford and MoPar, certain components can be identified to correct models but not a specific car or truck.
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True but also Ford ran batches of intakes, heads ect You could very easi;y have parts with date codes 2-3 months older than the build date of the car I did read that whole article, very interest but nothing really on numbers matching

Maybe you could clue me in on what numbers are supposed to match
You mean before vehicle assembly date, correct?

You will also have an engine (or any other component) assembly date. Much will depend on the actual vehicle assembly plant.

Let me go a little farther and hope it doesn't add to the confusion.

ENGINEERING PART NUMBERS- There is actually more than one. What you see stamped/cast onto the part identifies the base part. There is another PN assigned for differing machining protocol and/or assembly and yet another if the part is included in an assembly, say intake manifold with all attaching parts ready for complete engine assembly.

One example is the ECZ-B 4V intake that has a vacuum provision on the front runner.

As for GM numbers matching, I would a$$-u-me that they are much like FORD, casting/stamping ID NOS and these would be converted to actual Service PN's. If you mean VIN ID on the actual part(s), all manufacturers were required to ID major components beginning in 1968.

The greatest example(s) of non number matching cars to me is the Resto-Mods you see in auction houses not being what they claim to be and bringing in big bucks. It is like flipping houses with poor quality workmanship and materials. The owner will not be aware of it until years afterwards.

I don't know how to explain it more exactly than what I have. Sorry...

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Purist collectors WILL INDEED demand correct date codes and casting numbers on certain rare Fords. Also, there are certain numbers stamped into high performance blocks, for example, that identify them as such. A friend showed me this recently on a Super Cobra Jet block which allowed the potential buyer to identify it as "the one" he had when new. I agree that some GM models can have matching serial numbers such as the same as the VIN on some components, but I think most do not; I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think I'm right that not very many GM models can claim this other than that, like Ford and MoPar, certain components can be identified to correct models but not a specific car or truck.
THANX!

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Also note that Service Replacement Parts will not normally be the same a assembly parts. This really shows on HP engine assemblies.
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Thought I'd relate a story of one of those 1961 Fords.
In 1961, I was home in Hawaii, after my first year of college.
I grew up there as my Dad had taken a job at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard at the end of 1945.
A guy I knew from hi school had been given a new 1960 Corvette upon graduation. He stopped by my house to find out where a girl lived. I told him I could show him & off we went. Her name was Charlotte & her Dad was the service manager for the Ford dealership in Honolulu.
When we got to her house, her Dad was working on a ski boat & told us Charlotte wasn't home. We chatted with him about the boat & he said he had to leave to go to the Hardware store for something. We all left at the same time. He was driving the most Plain-Jane ugly 1961 Ford 2 door sedan. It was the cheapest,least attractive car to us.
3 speed, column shifted POS. At the first stoplight, Jimmie (with the Corvette), was really giving Charlotte's Dad a bad time about what a crappy car he had and how fast his Corvette was. I mean, a Corvette with a 4 speed, etc.
When the light changed we left that big ugly Ford in the dust- until about halfway thru 2nd gear in the Corvette, that Ford was just shifting into 2nd & went by us and just walked away.
He had the 401 HP engine.
Was a bad day for us kids
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Thanks. Great story!
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The 1961 401 starliner is one of the nicest ford's ever built. It could do low 13"s in the quarter mile if tuned right . I had many in my friends ,it was a great car. I went with him to the dealer the day he ordered it. The performance package came in the trunk and was installed by the dealer.
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I forgot the word (rides) after many in second sentence in above post
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If you want to looks at 1961 Ford Starliners, check out this Post. Mercman <><

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Remember travelling along the Gulf Coast to a New Orleans college bowl game in '66 with three of us sitting up front in a beautiful '60 Sunliner convertible. To me, the '60 Ford is one of the old car greats!

The car was unique in that it was powered by a 260 CI and was slow but, oh, did it get attention!
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This beauty, a 1960 Ford Starliner has been imported into Australia and is listed for sale for $49,900 in Victoria.

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A new member from North Carolina just added this photo of a very neat 1960 Ford Sunliner.
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Too young to care, I left a ten year old '60 Sunliner slip through my fingers. Got it for free, passed it on for the same. One of the few times I heard my father express his wrath.
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Remember travelling along the Gulf Coast to a New Orleans college bowl game in '66 with three of us sitting up front in a beautiful '60 Sunliner convertible. To me, the '60 Ford is one of the old car greats!

The car was unique in that it was powered by a 260 CI and was slow but, oh, did it get attention!


A 260? It would have had a 292 or 352 originally. Why would someone swap in a smaller engine that would not fit the mounts, the bellhousing, the exhaust, the wiring, etc., etc.,?
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A 260? It would have had a 292 or 352 originally. Why would someone swap in a smaller engine that would not fit the mounts, the bellhousing, the exhaust, the wiring, etc., etc.,?




I was thinking the exact same thing. A lot of work and fabrication to go slower. The only part I agree with is that it was slow.


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Could have been a 223 ...

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ...
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Could have been a 223 ...

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ...

Yep, a Starliner could be had with a 223 in both 60 and 61.
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Could have been a 223 ...

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ...
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I do somewhat understand Ford's numbering system. "Numbers matching" was once a term only used by the GM people, where it means something completely different.

On GM you could tell if major components were the one's a car left the factory with. On a Ford you can only tell if the part number and date code are consistent with ones built within a time frame the car would have been manufactured in. So a diligent restorer of a Ford can install a different part and still have it be consistent with the numbering system. On a GM, that's not possible. So even though the term has crept out of the GM camp and over to ours, it isn't the same thing. To the best of my understanding.


OK... Some BOW-TIE NUT is going to have to explain to me their version of numbers matching.

All manufacturers had to stamp VEHICLE VIN NOS (partial) on 68 up cars (engine-trans) as a means to thwart chop shops and that would give true meaning of NUMBERS CORRECT as I see it.

GM could not have stamped the VIN on every assembly part, other than an ID casting no. system similar to FOMOCO.

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A friend has a couple '60 Starliners, and he tells me they are the largest model Ford ever built.

Never checked that out.
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The entire body of the new model was only slightly more than 36 inches high at the beltline, with an overall height of just 54.5 inches for the sleek new Galaxie Special Starliner models, and up to just 56.5 inches for the station wagons.

They were more than five inches wider than the 1959 models, with the brochures proudly announcing the tread width was now more than five feet!

The new Fords were actually wider than the legal limit in some states, although we know of no one receiving a citation for driving an “oversize
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Same issue as dualing headlamps in 1958.

The 60 STAR (and 352/360HP engine) was designed for NASCAR competition. FORD finally decided to no longer comply with the 1958 AMA ban on racing beginning with the 1960 model year. The 61 STAR returned to more earlier trim designs while basically the same car.
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Regarding the Ford Starliners, did you realise that the Windscreens are totally different to every other Ford model of 1960? Usually, the Two Door Hardtops and Convertibles share the same Windscreen, but in case of the 1960 and 1961 Ford Starliners, that is not the case. The only other model that shares the same Windscreen is the 1960 Edsel Two Door Hardtop. I should mention that the equivalent model of the Canadian Meteor would also share this same unique windscreen. These are truly unique vehicles.
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Ever wonder where all the 1960 Ford Starliners went? Unfortunately, here is a picture of a pair that never made it. The Ford Super Duty Transporter doesn't look too healthy either?
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I need the washboards and rear bumper off the blue one. What yard they at?
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I need the washboards and rear bumper off the blue one. What yard they at?
You'd have to take the Way Back Machine to get those parts. That photo is very likely from 1960. The truck looks like a 58.
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Somebody from Washington posted these photos on the HAMB a few days ago:




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Was it you that posted 'em? I didn't notice the name. Looks like all of them could be saved. My first car was a '60 Ford but not a hardtop.
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I wondered a long time if the Flxible Co. was buying Starliner emblems from Ford for
their line of Starliner buses? they sure look identical. see if I have a pic. This is a Starliner can't see emblem but its under the first window....sam
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Was it you that posted 'em? I didn't notice the name. Looks like all of them could be saved. My first car was a '60 Ford but not a hardtop.
One and the same, AKA, "Bleach".
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The 1960 Galaxie Starliner 2-door hardtop was a nice car since it was a fastback but the 1960 Mercury Park Lane 2-door hardtop is also a nice car. It had the bubble top front and rear glass and was truly one of a kind as well. They are pretty rare these days but they're still out there too.
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'60 Park Lane is awesome, especially with a 430. OK Herm, I'll ask. What's the plan for the Starliners?.
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Well, I don't know. Those aren't my cars. If they were mine, the cars would be decent and I would be broke.
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I hear you. Just picked up a very restorable, complete '55 Merc Montclair to take up time and money I don't have. But it's a Rockdale Gray over Persimmon beauty I couldn't resist.
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I hear you. Just picked up a very restorable, complete '55 Merc Montclair to take up time and money I don't have. But it's a Rockdale Gray over Persimmon beauty I couldn't resist.




That's what my first car was when I was a kid. Mine had a greenish/teal roof and coves, with a white body. Be great to have one again.


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Sweet 1960 Ford Starliner at the Annual Motor Muster at Greenfield Village Dearborn, June 16 this year.
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Here is a comparison picture or a pair of 1960 Two Door Hardtops, a Ford Starliner and a Chevrolet Impala. The Ford looks more modern and stylish than the Chevrolet. What do other Barners think?
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Agreed. The Starliner was designed in large part by Alex Tremulis (sp) who also did the Tucker Torpedo and a host of advanced concept cars for Ford. You can see the streamlining designed into the Ford with the smaller fireplace and the sloping hood. All aerodynamic. Don't forget the sloping backlight. Ford promptly lost something like 2 mph on the top end in NASCAR when they went to the boxtop Fords in '62. Even tried to go back after their mistake with a "Starlift" fiberglass roof to fit a '62 convert. NASCAR nixed that.
The Chevy is a rewarm of the '59 design. had a '60 Impala with a 348. Tiny little 3 speed manual compared to the Ford T85. X-frame chassis with no side impact protection at all. At least the Ford gives you some chance with the cowbelly frame in a T-bone. 2 pc driveshaft in the Chevy. Inside and outside though, the Chevy is a real jukebox. Chrome and dazzle everywhere. The Ford is a little more retrained. Sold the Impala. Have had the Starliner for 33 years now.
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When I was a kid when they came out, I didn't go nuts for either one. Now I like them both pretty equal.


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I like the 60 Chevy better. I always have.
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streetdreams is correct when he said that Chevrolet had an X-frame chassis with no side impact protection at all. This is what happened to my brother's imported 1959 Chevrolet Impala Coupe when he got hit on the right rear. The collision bent the frame so that the Trunk Lid popped and will not shut, as the car was now out of square and twisted. Check out the above pictures. These GM X Frames are not what they are cracked up to be.
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That X frame didn't stay around too long for good reason. Folks had to have special frame straightening equipment to repair them back in the day. Other than that, the basic designs are like an apple and an orange to me.
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Another neat 1960 Ford Starliner. These cars are really cool.
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I know I am prejudiced, but I think Fords had better styling than Chevy's most years. I never liked the 59 or 60 Chevy's much.
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5851a, Thanks for Posting, but it is a 61 Starliner, not a 1960 model, as you can see from the above picture.
I have added your Link for this Video to the 1961 Ford Thread. Regards Mercman <><
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5851a, Thanks for Posting, but it is a 61 Starliner, not a 1960 model, as you can see from the above picture.
I have added your Link for this Video to the 1961 Ford Thread. Regards Mercman <><
Thanks, I get so carried away with the Starliners I forget the 61 is my favorite.
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Looking good - a 1960 Ford Galaxie 4 door Hardtop cruising Woodward Ave, Detroit on the Dream Cruise.
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Another neat 1960 Ford Galaxie, this one a Sunliner Convertible. They are sure nice looking Fords that for a long time have been overlooked. They seem to be catching on these days, but there does not seem to be overly many survivors?
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Spotted this 1960 Ford Galaxie 4 door Hardtop in Homer Michigan
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There are some years I like Fords better and some years I like Chevies better.
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There are some years I like Fords better and some years I like Chevies better.
Copy... Just rattling your chain...

I have a thing for 57/58 and early sixties IMPALAS plus the late sixties NOVA so don't let me get to you ...
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No problem K. You didn't get to me. I've changed my mind on some cars after owning them. I can't say I have any real brand loyalty.
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Yet another neat 1960 Ford Starliner.
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Yet another neat 1960 Ford Starliner.





I like the wheels too.


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Nice red Starliner but it has an engine leak
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Nice red Starliner but it has an engine leak
It's just marking its territory.
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Looks too far forward to come from the car.
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That Starliner could mark it's territory in my driveway,
anytime it wants to...
But like Paul says, looks like something else left it's
mark there, before the Starliner arrived.




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This is sweet, a promotional photo by Ford when this 1960 Ford Galaxie Starliner was new. Beautiful. Love those 60 Fords.
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Here is another original Ford promotional picture of the new 1960 Ford Galaxie 4 door hardtop. Photo was probably taken at Ford's Proving Track in Dearborn, located opposite Green Field Village?
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Yes, that is the Ford test track in Dearborn, MI. With the Ford World Headquarters in the far back ground. I retired from Ford in that area.


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Very rare 1960 Ford 2 door Ranch Wagon. This was the second last year of 2 door full size wagon from Ford.
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This 1960 Ford Starliner was offered For Sale at Hershey.
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JR Croft the local funeral directors had a metallic grey 60 station wagon that had been converted to a hearse, it was an impressive looking beast that they had well into the 80's and possibly into the 90's. My grand father probably took "his last ride" in it back in 1967.

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You have to read this-

1960 STARLINER-

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbs...e-makes-waste/

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1960 FAIRLANE-

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbs...t-of-the-cast/
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And Then the Fight Started-

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I attended a local Swap Meet back in 2011 and saw this rear portion of a 1960 Ford Country Sedan for sale. Australia never got any "true" 1960 Fords, but used the carry-over 1959 Fords with cosmetic changes branded as 1960 Fords, so it was very unusual finding the remains of an imported 1960 Ford wagon. Apparently, the "creator" of this rear portion wanted an "ornament" to hang on the wall of his Disco, and this was the end result. I don't know if it ever got mounted on the wall? Not much left of it, but that back window would come in handy you you were looking for one as they don't make reproductions.
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As mentioned earlier in this Thread, Ford Australia never offered the new 1960 Fords here, but changed the trim on the 1959 Fords and re-branded them as 1960 models. With that in mind, it is incredible that a few true 1960 Fords were imported. In ant earlier Post, I showed a picture of the rear clip of one, now here is a second one. Take a look at this one that has well and truly passed its use-by-date. It was located on a property down south that had lots of old Fords that were auctioned off last year, including this one. No wonder that they are thin on the ground these days. Another one bites the dust.
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