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53vicki · 06-09-2018, 09:54 AM

My Dad has a 53 Victoria Fordmatic that is, in short, absolutely no fun to drive. He's always wished it was a 3 speed column shift - so I want to help get that done.

Please tell me what year 3 speed with OD will be best to use. I read that 62 Ford's had the 1st full synchro 3 speed - i have no idea what year range of 3 speeds will fit in his 53. Also read that the trans must have side mounted shift linkage in order to have it be column shift.

I'd like to get as modern a trans as possible that will allow it to be bolt in - no involved modifications - if that means I need to get a 3 speed from 1949-53 then that's what I'll do. Ford trucks in the mid 80's used 3 speeds with OD but I doubt those could work with a column shift. ?

Thanks Guys !

4dFord/SC · 06-09-2018, 10:45 AM

You'll probably want to change the rear end, too. I believe the Fordomatic was something like 3.31, while the 3-speed was 3.73.

ford38v8 · 06-09-2018, 10:47 AM

There are a number of ways to do it, but as you specify "no modifications", that suggests that originality is a major consideration for you and your dad. For this, you have two options, only one of which will produce the absolutely correct result, that being to trade the car in question for one having the 3 speed w/overdrive. I'm not being sarcastic, this is really the best way to go, and certainly the least expensive. The second option would be to obtain a parts car of the same year and model, but having the transmission you want. The entire car would be desirable to have, as there are many other parts besides the transmission that must be changed, the total cost of which would far exceed the cost of a parts car.

tubman · 06-09-2018, 11:44 AM

One thing I do know from buying adapters from various engines to "shoebox" Ford transmissions is that Ford manual transmissions have the same bolt pattern '49-'64. You're lucky that you have a '53 rather than an earlier car as the hanging pedals eliminated the boss on the transmission that the clutch mechanism hooks to. A later Ford OD transmission may be easier to install than many think. I don't know for sure, but in may involve fabricating the transmission mount and modifying the driveshaft. You will still have to deal with the steering column, shift linkage, and the clutch linkage, so as the others have said, a parts car is almost a necessity. Then there is the overdrive system itself. There is the relay on the firewall, the kick-down switch under the accelerator pedal, the lockout cable under the dash, and the additional wiring harness. This is not a trivial job.

Can it be done? Sure, but you would be way ahead if you could find a car equipped like you want and make a trade. With the graying of the Ford enthusiast community, more and more folks are looking for cars with automatics.

RalphG · 06-09-2018, 01:25 PM

I love my Mercomatic. Only way I'd change to a standard is if the old Mercomatic has a catastrophic failure. Theres nothing like automatic for slow cruising main street in small town Sask.

53vicki · 06-09-2018, 07:57 PM

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What's the best way to determine if a 3 speed has overdrive ? the R10 stamp on the case or another way ?

Thanks again for all the help. I'm taking notes and looking for a 52/53 parts car.

Newc · 06-10-2018, 11:39 AM

Hi; I am currrently driving an auto '53. Remember the 6V/12v change also affects the OD electrics. You really need a donor car up thru '55, preferably another '53. Get on your local Craig's list for those rust outs ect. are around. My Fordamatic rebuild used 3 cores to get things right, save/sell your old core. Newc in Oregon

donald1950 · 06-10-2018, 11:55 AM

the 49, 50, & 51 transmissions will not fit due to different rear transmission mount. 53 and up, but i do not know how far up, will fit due to different motor mounts. lot of items to change out like column shiftier, adding a clutch pedal and linkage.. a 53 3 speed doner car will be very helpfull..

rotorwrench · 06-10-2018, 06:41 PM

The overdrive unit in between the tail shaft and the transmission is the first give away. All of them have the R-10 tail but not all are the same. The 49 thru 51 Fords all had a casting protrusion from the left side of the case for the part of the clutch mechanisms to attach. The 1952 on had swing pedals so the clutch actuation mechanism was different. Most of the 1951 transmission from Fords & Mercs had the new style diamond type gears and they are considered to be a better unit due to the new design. I'd start looking for any Ford or Mercury units from 1952 thru 1953 and consider Y-block units on a case by case basis. Some have different tail housing for different applications in those years where the 52 & 53 are basically all the same.

06-09-2018, 09:54 AM	#1
53vicki Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 24	53 convert to 3 speed - advice please My Dad has a 53 Victoria Fordmatic that is, in short, absolutely no fun to drive. He's always wished it was a 3 speed column shift - so I want to help get that done. Please tell me what year 3 speed with OD will be best to use. I read that 62 Ford's had the 1st full synchro 3 speed - i have no idea what year range of 3 speeds will fit in his 53. Also read that the trans must have side mounted shift linkage in order to have it be column shift. I'd like to get as modern a trans as possible that will allow it to be bolt in - no involved modifications - if that means I need to get a 3 speed from 1949-53 then that's what I'll do. Ford trucks in the mid 80's used 3 speeds with OD but I doubt those could work with a column shift. ? Thanks Guys !

06-09-2018, 10:45 AM	#2
4dFord/SC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,579	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please You'll probably want to change the rear end, too. I believe the Fordomatic was something like 3.31, while the 3-speed was 3.73.

06-09-2018, 10:47 AM	#3
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,646	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please There are a number of ways to do it, but as you specify "no modifications", that suggests that originality is a major consideration for you and your dad. For this, you have two options, only one of which will produce the absolutely correct result, that being to trade the car in question for one having the 3 speed w/overdrive. I'm not being sarcastic, this is really the best way to go, and certainly the least expensive. The second option would be to obtain a parts car of the same year and model, but having the transmission you want. The entire car would be desirable to have, as there are many other parts besides the transmission that must be changed, the total cost of which would far exceed the cost of a parts car. __________________ Alan

06-09-2018, 11:44 AM	#4
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please One thing I do know from buying adapters from various engines to "shoebox" Ford transmissions is that Ford manual transmissions have the same bolt pattern '49-'64. You're lucky that you have a '53 rather than an earlier car as the hanging pedals eliminated the boss on the transmission that the clutch mechanism hooks to. A later Ford OD transmission may be easier to install than many think. I don't know for sure, but in may involve fabricating the transmission mount and modifying the driveshaft. You will still have to deal with the steering column, shift linkage, and the clutch linkage, so as the others have said, a parts car is almost a necessity. Then there is the overdrive system itself. There is the relay on the firewall, the kick-down switch under the accelerator pedal, the lockout cable under the dash, and the additional wiring harness. This is not a trivial job. Can it be done? Sure, but you would be way ahead if you could find a car equipped like you want and make a trade. With the graying of the Ford enthusiast community, more and more folks are looking for cars with automatics.

06-09-2018, 01:25 PM	#5
RalphG Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Sask. Canada Posts: 2,424	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please I love my Mercomatic. Only way I'd change to a standard is if the old Mercomatic has a catastrophic failure. Theres nothing like automatic for slow cruising main street in small town Sask. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/roosty6/videos

06-09-2018, 07:57 PM	#6
53vicki Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 24	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) What's the best way to determine if a 3 speed has overdrive ? the R10 stamp on the case or another way ? Thanks again for all the help. I'm taking notes and looking for a 52/53 parts car.

06-10-2018, 11:39 AM	#7
Newc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,488	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please Hi; I am currrently driving an auto '53. Remember the 6V/12v change also affects the OD electrics. You really need a donor car up thru '55, preferably another '53. Get on your local Craig's list for those rust outs ect. are around. My Fordamatic rebuild used 3 cores to get things right, save/sell your old core. Newc in Oregon

06-10-2018, 11:55 AM	#8
donald1950 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: san antonio, texas Posts: 461	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please the 49, 50, & 51 transmissions will not fit due to different rear transmission mount. 53 and up, but i do not know how far up, will fit due to different motor mounts. lot of items to change out like column shiftier, adding a clutch pedal and linkage.. a 53 3 speed doner car will be very helpfull..

06-10-2018, 06:41 PM	#9
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: 53 convert to 3 speed - advice please The overdrive unit in between the tail shaft and the transmission is the first give away. All of them have the R-10 tail but not all are the same. The 49 thru 51 Fords all had a casting protrusion from the left side of the case for the part of the clutch mechanisms to attach. The 1952 on had swing pedals so the clutch actuation mechanism was different. Most of the 1951 transmission from Fords & Mercs had the new style diamond type gears and they are considered to be a better unit due to the new design. I'd start looking for any Ford or Mercury units from 1952 thru 1953 and consider Y-block units on a case by case basis. Some have different tail housing for different applications in those years where the 52 & 53 are basically all the same.