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tiger.1000 · 10-05-2014, 09:28 AM

Anyone have or know of the availability of a Model B 4 cylinder fuel pump with a hand primer. I have yet to encounter one .I do know that Mart has one on his V8
engine ?

blucar · 10-05-2014, 10:07 AM

Mechanical fuel pumps with the priming lever were very common on industrial/farm engines.. From past experiences in the late '40's, early '50's, I know that the Wisconsin
V4 engines used the same fuel pump as a Ford V8.
I would venture the guess that your friend's car has a industrial fuel pump on it..

FlatheadTed · 10-05-2014, 12:51 PM

A lot of UK cars had them ,its likely that a Ford 10 or a Triumph one would fit

tiger.1000 · 10-05-2014, 02:39 PM

Ted, you're right. Many pre and post war cars had them and in particular Triumphs.

Doctor's Ford · 10-05-2014, 07:12 PM

This is the pump that was on my 33 model B when I purchased it. I have another restored one without the hand primer on my car and keep the old one as replacement.

Kurt in NJ · 10-05-2014, 08:05 PM

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I have a triumph pump, it will bolt to a "B" block, but the lever ends up about the middle of where the cam is

FlatheadTed · 10-06-2014, 01:58 AM

You need to modify them my one has a 34 top with a maybe Ford 10 bottom ,modified internals .

tiger.1000 · 10-06-2014, 02:07 AM

Doctors,

That's really interesting. Any idea what make and model the pump is with the hand primer? Do you know if the mounting holes are staggered or in line as per the two photos?

tiger.1000 · 10-06-2014, 02:10 AM

Kurt,

On your Triumph pump, are the mounting holes staggered or horizontal? On my 32B they are staggered.

No shortage of Triumph pumps here in the UK. Do you know which application or model that your pump is ?

sortkaffekop · 10-06-2014, 06:01 AM

My french Ford Vedette 53 flathead has one. Buy in France at Techni-Tacot

Kurt in NJ · 10-06-2014, 07:25 AM

The mounting holes are staggered and will bolt to the "B" block, the lever ends up in the wrong place though so it isn't a direct fit ---I don't know if the lever could be modified, I jave 2 other pumps that are american, from unknown WWII application that have primer levers ---they have staggered mounting, but not compatable levers ---never found what they fit, but sold a lot of them when I used to sell at Hershey etc

scooder · 10-06-2014, 12:37 PM

Tiger bloke, staggered holes is triumph Herald 1360 damn sure, will double check later this evening.
Martin.

scooder · 10-06-2014, 02:29 PM

Forget that. Just checked a herald 1360 pump, it has level bolt holes, not staggered.
Sorry.
Martin.

scooder · 10-06-2014, 02:33 PM

Think Austin 7 had the staggered bolts, most
Have hand priming to.
Worth a look.
Have you tried Bob of the nervous persuasion?
Martin.

Mart · 10-06-2014, 03:03 PM

You might need to identify the manufacturer of your ford pump, (Probably AC), and then find another pump from that manufacturer that has a near enough bolt pattern, and a primer lever, but maybe the wrong lever. Hopefully there should be some commonality of production allowing the lever to be swapped.

There may be a commercial or agricultural application of the B engine that would be more likely to have a lever.

I vaguely recollect things like Austin Somersets having primers.

Mart.

petes 50 merc · 10-06-2014, 04:13 PM

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tiger.1000 · 10-07-2014, 01:17 AM

Petes.......Nope!....Parallel mounting holes. Mart, I tend you agree with you. Being the ultimate optimist I was looking for the easy option but realise that it's going to be a case of lots of dismantled pumps on the bench.

Triumph TR3-4 had staggered mounting holes.

scooder · 10-07-2014, 01:24 AM

Have you tried Bob froch for a B pump with primer?
Martin.

tiger.1000 · 10-07-2014, 02:13 AM

Martin,

No I havn't tried Bob but have tried Dave Renner who says he's never seen one and if Dave hasn't seen one the chances are they don't exist, however that doesn't mean to say that someone really clever like Mart hasn't made one.

I'll give Bob a call....

Doctor's Ford · 10-07-2014, 07:23 AM

Tiger.1000. I shot 2 additional photos showing the mounting holes you asked about plus an old photo showing the mounted pump before restoration began. The holes are staggered. There is no brand but the following is engraved on the pump: "Type U Made in England". My car is RHD originally from the USA.

tiger.1000 · 10-07-2014, 10:30 AM

Doctor's thanks for that. This weekend I'll be getting my spanners out !

tiger.1000 · 10-07-2014, 12:06 PM

Scooder.....phoned Bob.... creating a B pump with a priming lever appears to be like a walk in the park for Bob !

"Just a matter of digging around in the parts bin; pulling a few apart; swapping levers....give me a day or two....." said Bob !

PHEW !

Mart · 10-07-2014, 12:22 PM

A type U is an AC designation, so we're on the right track, and it sounds like something Bob is familiar with.

Cool.

Mart.

Doctor's Ford · 10-07-2014, 08:05 PM

Here is the U type description. Thanks Mart, now I know is an AC pump

scooder · 10-08-2014, 01:49 AM

Good Ol' Bob.
Glad he can help.
Martin.

tiger.1000 · 10-15-2014, 02:47 PM

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Well, if any one can do it, Bob Froch can......just a walk in the park for Bob....place your orders

Mart · 10-16-2014, 02:17 AM

Hail Bob!

http://www.bobfroch.co.uk/

Mart.

Hapydz · 05-15-2016, 08:42 PM

Anyone have Bob's email address ? I need one of these !!!

tiger.1000 · 05-16-2016, 08:12 AM

Hapy,

Bob doesn't do emails. He's in the UK and you can phone him on 01359 230027

OR...write to him at:

Bob Froch
Sieglinde
Heath Road
Thurston
Bury St Edmunds
Suffolk
IP31 3PJ
U.K.

Hapydz · 05-16-2016, 11:44 AM

Thanks Tiger !

Hapydz · 05-18-2016, 11:22 AM

I talked to Bob this morning....Sounds like a great guy that you knew for a long time ! He is going to fix me (and the Ghost Rider Roadster) up with one in the next few weeks. Many thanks for all your help as this should remove a bunch of agravation !

10-05-2014, 09:28 AM	#1
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Anyone have or know of the availability of a Model B 4 cylinder fuel pump with a hand primer. I have yet to encounter one .I do know that Mart has one on his V8 engine ?

10-05-2014, 10:07 AM	#2
blucar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 2,464	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Mechanical fuel pumps with the priming lever were very common on industrial/farm engines.. From past experiences in the late '40's, early '50's, I know that the Wisconsin V4 engines used the same fuel pump as a Ford V8. I would venture the guess that your friend's car has a industrial fuel pump on it.. __________________ Bill.... 36 5 win cpe

10-05-2014, 02:39 PM	#4
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Ted, you're right. Many pre and post war cars had them and in particular Triumphs.

10-05-2014, 08:05 PM	#6
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have a triumph pump, it will bolt to a "B" block, but the lever ends up about the middle of where the cam is

10-06-2014, 01:58 AM	#7
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? You need to modify them my one has a 34 top with a maybe Ford 10 bottom ,modified internals . __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

10-06-2014, 02:10 AM	#9
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Kurt, On your Triumph pump, are the mounting holes staggered or horizontal? On my 32B they are staggered. No shortage of Triumph pumps here in the UK. Do you know which application or model that your pump is ?

10-06-2014, 06:01 AM	#10
sortkaffekop Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 129	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? My french Ford Vedette 53 flathead has one. Buy in France at Techni-Tacot

10-06-2014, 07:25 AM	#11
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? The mounting holes are staggered and will bolt to the "B" block, the lever ends up in the wrong place though so it isn't a direct fit ---I don't know if the lever could be modified, I jave 2 other pumps that are american, from unknown WWII application that have primer levers ---they have staggered mounting, but not compatable levers ---never found what they fit, but sold a lot of them when I used to sell at Hershey etc

10-06-2014, 12:37 PM	#12
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Tiger bloke, staggered holes is triumph Herald 1360 damn sure, will double check later this evening. Martin.

10-06-2014, 02:29 PM	#13
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Forget that. Just checked a herald 1360 pump, it has level bolt holes, not staggered. Sorry. Martin.

10-06-2014, 02:33 PM	#14
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Think Austin 7 had the staggered bolts, most Have hand priming to. Worth a look. Have you tried Bob of the nervous persuasion? Martin.

10-06-2014, 03:03 PM	#15
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,754	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? You might need to identify the manufacturer of your ford pump, (Probably AC), and then find another pump from that manufacturer that has a near enough bolt pattern, and a primer lever, but maybe the wrong lever. Hopefully there should be some commonality of production allowing the lever to be swapped. There may be a commercial or agricultural application of the B engine that would be more likely to have a lever. I vaguely recollect things like Austin Somersets having primers. Mart. Last edited by Mart; 10-06-2014 at 03:29 PM.

10-06-2014, 04:13 PM	#16
petes 50 merc Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern California Posts: 44	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? is this the pump ebay #390930745456 so-cal speed shop sacramento ca.

10-07-2014, 01:17 AM	#17
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Petes.......Nope!....Parallel mounting holes. Mart, I tend you agree with you. Being the ultimate optimist I was looking for the easy option but realise that it's going to be a case of lots of dismantled pumps on the bench. Triumph TR3-4 had staggered mounting holes.

10-07-2014, 01:24 AM	#18
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Have you tried Bob froch for a B pump with primer? Martin.

10-07-2014, 02:13 AM	#19
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Martin, No I havn't tried Bob but have tried Dave Renner who says he's never seen one and if Dave hasn't seen one the chances are they don't exist, however that doesn't mean to say that someone really clever like Mart hasn't made one. I'll give Bob a call....

10-07-2014, 10:30 AM	#21
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Doctor's thanks for that. This weekend I'll be getting my spanners out !

10-07-2014, 12:06 PM	#22
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Scooder.....phoned Bob.... creating a B pump with a priming lever appears to be like a walk in the park for Bob ! "Just a matter of digging around in the parts bin; pulling a few apart; swapping levers....give me a day or two....." said Bob ! PHEW !

10-07-2014, 12:22 PM	#23
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,754	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? A type U is an AC designation, so we're on the right track, and it sounds like something Bob is familiar with. Cool. Mart.

10-08-2014, 01:49 AM	#25
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Good Ol' Bob. Glad he can help. Martin.

10-16-2014, 02:17 AM	#27
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,754	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Hail Bob! http://www.bobfroch.co.uk/ Mart.

05-15-2016, 08:42 PM	#28
Hapydz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Anyone have Bob's email address ? I need one of these !!!

05-16-2016, 08:12 AM	#29
tiger.1000 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hertford (UK) Posts: 905	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Hapy, Bob doesn't do emails. He's in the UK and you can phone him on 01359 230027 OR...write to him at: Bob Froch Sieglinde Heath Road Thurston Bury St Edmunds Suffolk IP31 3PJ U.K.

05-16-2016, 11:44 AM	#30
Hapydz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? Thanks Tiger !

05-18-2016, 11:22 AM	#31
Hapydz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6	Re: Model B fuel pump with hand primer ? I talked to Bob this morning....Sounds like a great guy that you knew for a long time ! He is going to fix me (and the Ghost Rider Roadster) up with one in the next few weeks. Many thanks for all your help as this should remove a bunch of agravation !