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GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 03:31 PM

Hey guys
after reading a post about engine numbers and frame numbers, I found mine! They are both the same number. 2428693 and then a star.

What does this mean? Is there any way I can tell anything about my truck by these numbers? It is a 1928 closed cab pickup.
thanks

Charlie Stephens · 03-25-2015, 03:48 PM

There should have been a star at the beginning also. When the engine and transmission assembly passed final inspection at the Rouge plant (where all the engines were made) the assembly was assigned an number that was stamped into a pad on the side of the block. The assemblies were shipped all around the country to assembly plants and to some foreign assembly plants that didn't make their own engines. When the frame went down the assembly line this same number was stamped into the frame. There are no surviving records showing where the engines were shipped. About all you can tell is the date the engine/transmission assembly passed final inspection. The judging standards say to allow up to 3 months for the engine to reach the assembly line. A list showing the date the serial number was assigned may be found at https://www.mafca.com/data_eng_production.html . Your number corresponds to October 1929.

Charlie Stephens

Mike V. Florida · 03-25-2015, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GT66PONY

Hey guys
after reading a post about engine numbers and frame numbers, I found mine! They are both the same number. 2428693 and then a star.

What does this mean? Is there any way I can tell anything about my truck by these numbers? It is a 1928 closed cab pickup.
thanks

All you know is when the engine was made (Engine #2428693 was made on Oct 7, 1929) and within about 3 months when it was installed in your truck.

Papa's CCPU · 03-25-2015, 03:54 PM

Gary,
By using that number and going to this website,
http://www.modelahouse.com/cgi-bin/enumbers/numdate

Your trucks engine was stamped on Oct, 7 1929
Sometime later that engine was put on the frame and stamped. You have a matching numbers truck.

Where it was assembled could be determined from a stamping inside the cab in front of the seat. There are letter codes that can help determine which assembly plant it came from....

More information can be found here:
http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

CarlG · 03-25-2015, 03:55 PM

If the frame and engine number match, and neither has been "re-stamped" then you have a 1929, not a 1928.

GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 04:04 PM

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Well then! I bought it as a 1928, But the title says 29, I thought it was a typo!!!
Is that a good thing or a bad thing????

CarlG · 03-25-2015, 04:05 PM

If the title says it's a '29, then you are all set! Everything matches!

GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 04:08 PM

is it worth more or less than a 28!

pooch · 03-25-2015, 04:11 PM

And as you have matching numbers, albeit missing the front star, can you carefully look at the rearmost cab to chassis holes.

I have read these were hand drilled after the cab was on , as the standard stamped chassis did not have these holes.

Are they exactly alike on both sides ?

(seeing it was done by workers skill and probably not a jig.)

Is the hole in the cab and the hole in the chassis the same drilling through and the same size and in exactly the same place on each side ?

pooch · 03-25-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GT66PONY

is it worth more or less than a 28!

Except if it was a very early AR with very early features, it is worth more in my book, no lousy early brake system, a better front engine mount, a stronger starter, a single plate clutch, etc.

GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 04:16 PM

I might have a front star! I have a temporary dash on the truck to hold gauges and switches and such! I do not understand what you mean about the holes! But I will go to the garage and have a look!

newshirt · 03-25-2015, 04:34 PM

While off topic... here's another date-related thing to check. Does your firewall have a date stamp? My CCPU is stamped '10 6 28' and is titled 1929. This won't likely match your engine number, but it's fun to look for.

GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 04:54 PM

OK, I have a star in front . Also an A Do not know what you meant by the holes, but they look the same on both sides. I could not find any stamps inside cab, but did not know where to look. I have photos, but do not know how to post them here, go to my Album.
Thanks for the info

Papa's CCPU · 03-25-2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT66PONY

OK, I have a star in front . Also an A Do not know what you meant by the holes, but they look the same on both sides. I could not find any stamps inside cab, but did not know where to look. I have photos, but do not know how to post them here, go to my Album.
Thanks for the info

On the top of the sub-rail in front of the seat

GT66PONY · 03-25-2015, 05:39 PM

I could not find a number on the gas tank. still not sure what I am looking at in your photos, But I could not find a no. in front of seat. My cab is removed and laying on its back, glass down, windshield up. Go to my album and check it out! thanks

Papa's CCPU · 03-25-2015, 06:14 PM

Not the clearest pictures, just an example of were to look for reference on the body stamp location.

This is from an 82-A Cab just like yours. This one was stamped SFAA 6387, meaning a San Francisco AA assembled cab, not certain of actual month or year.

Can't tell from your photos, but like your gas tank, you might not have any stamp inside the cab! That would have helped in finding out where your truck was assembled.

Mike V. Florida · 03-25-2015, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT66PONY

I could not find a number on the gas tank. still not sure what I am looking at in your photos, But I could not find a no. in front of seat. My cab is removed and laying on its back, glass down, windshield up. Go to my album and check it out! thanks

You might not. not all the plants did it consistently.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-25-2015, 08:28 PM

If you sit in the driver's seat with your feet straight down, about where your left heel sets is where I usually find the body number.

Ron in Quincy · 03-25-2015, 09:39 PM

Let me tell you a true story about my uncle who lived in Stockton, CA. This was about 1965.

At his ranch,next to the fence outside the back door sat a 1929 AA Closed Cab1 Ton Truck with a factory Stake bed, all the racks, Ford script on the back of the bed. I made the remark to him that the truck would be excellent for a restoration, that the fact he bought it new and it was the way it came from the factory. He said it was not like it came from the factory !!!! I said "it is not" and he related the following story:

In 1929 the Ford dealer telephoned and told him the AA Truck he ordered was in and ready for him to pick it up. When he arrived at the dealership his truck had a Open Cab on it; uncle said was upset, told the dealer he had ordered a Closed Cab not a Open Cab. Setting at the dealership was a new 1/2 Ton Pickup with a Closed Cab on it; the dealer told him to come back tomorrow, I will put that Closed cab on you truck. When he went back the next day the dealership had switched the bodies so uncle took delivery.

In looking the truck over I noticed there was no date stamp on the gas tank. I told uncle that was strange as being a 1929 there should be a date stamp on the tank. Uncle told me that the gas tank started leaking around the steering column on the inside about 2 months after he took delivery. Uncle said he called the dealer who told him to bring the truck in and they would take care of the problem; two days later he picked up the truck, the dealership had installed a new gas tank.

I suspect who ever ended up with that AA after my uncle passed away, believes it to be all original.

Makes you wonder, unless you get to talk to the original owner and find out what really took place with the vehicle, it may not be the way it came from the factory.

Ron

GT66PONY · 03-26-2015, 05:26 AM

Good story!
When I went to look at this truck, for the first time I did not know what I was going to do with it! I have a 66 Mustang fastback GT, A 06 Mustang GT, A 78 Ranger
a 1980 Camaro Z28 And I Did not know anything about a Model A !!

I was thinking street rod, Rat rod or driver!! When I saw the truck for the first time, it was way too nice to butcher!!! It is fast becoming my favorite toy !!

03-25-2015, 03:31 PM	#1
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Engine frame number Hey guys after reading a post about engine numbers and frame numbers, I found mine! They are both the same number. 2428693 and then a star. What does this mean? Is there any way I can tell anything about my truck by these numbers? It is a 1928 closed cab pickup. thanks

03-25-2015, 03:54 PM	#4
Papa's CCPU Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sierra Foothills Posts: 74	Re: Engine frame number Gary, By using that number and going to this website, http://www.modelahouse.com/cgi-bin/enumbers/numdate Your trucks engine was stamped on Oct, 7 1929 Sometime later that engine was put on the frame and stamped. You have a matching numbers truck. Where it was assembled could be determined from a stamping inside the cab in front of the seat. There are letter codes that can help determine which assembly plant it came from.... More information can be found here: http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

03-25-2015, 03:55 PM	#5
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,116	Re: Engine frame number If the frame and engine number match, and neither has been "re-stamped" then you have a 1929, not a 1928. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

03-25-2015, 04:04 PM	#6
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Well then! I bought it as a 1928, But the title says 29, I thought it was a typo!!! Is that a good thing or a bad thing????

03-25-2015, 04:05 PM	#7
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,116	Re: Engine frame number If the title says it's a '29, then you are all set! Everything matches! __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

03-25-2015, 03:48 PM	#2
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,034	Re: Engine frame number There should have been a star at the beginning also. When the engine and transmission assembly passed final inspection at the Rouge plant (where all the engines were made) the assembly was assigned an number that was stamped into a pad on the side of the block. The assemblies were shipped all around the country to assembly plants and to some foreign assembly plants that didn't make their own engines. When the frame went down the assembly line this same number was stamped into the frame. There are no surviving records showing where the engines were shipped. About all you can tell is the date the engine/transmission assembly passed final inspection. The judging standards say to allow up to 3 months for the engine to reach the assembly line. A list showing the date the serial number was assigned may be found at https://www.mafca.com/data_eng_production.html . Your number corresponds to October 1929. Charlie Stephens

03-25-2015, 04:08 PM	#8
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number is it worth more or less than a 28!

03-25-2015, 04:11 PM	#9
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Engine frame number And as you have matching numbers, albeit missing the front star, can you carefully look at the rearmost cab to chassis holes. I have read these were hand drilled after the cab was on , as the standard stamped chassis did not have these holes. Are they exactly alike on both sides ? (seeing it was done by workers skill and probably not a jig.) Is the hole in the cab and the hole in the chassis the same drilling through and the same size and in exactly the same place on each side ?

03-25-2015, 04:16 PM	#11
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number I might have a front star! I have a temporary dash on the truck to hold gauges and switches and such! I do not understand what you mean about the holes! But I will go to the garage and have a look!

03-25-2015, 04:54 PM	#13
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number OK, I have a star in front . Also an A Do not know what you meant by the holes, but they look the same on both sides. I could not find any stamps inside cab, but did not know where to look. I have photos, but do not know how to post them here, go to my Album. Thanks for the info

03-25-2015, 05:39 PM	#15
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number I could not find a number on the gas tank. still not sure what I am looking at in your photos, But I could not find a no. in front of seat. My cab is removed and laying on its back, glass down, windshield up. Go to my album and check it out! thanks

03-25-2015, 06:14 PM	#16
Papa's CCPU Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Sierra Foothills Posts: 74	Re: Engine frame number Not the clearest pictures, just an example of were to look for reference on the body stamp location. This is from an 82-A Cab just like yours. This one was stamped SFAA 6387, meaning a San Francisco AA assembled cab, not certain of actual month or year. Can't tell from your photos, but like your gas tank, you might not have any stamp inside the cab! That would have helped in finding out where your truck was assembled.

03-25-2015, 08:28 PM	#18
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Engine frame number If you sit in the driver's seat with your feet straight down, about where your left heel sets is where I usually find the body number.

03-25-2015, 09:39 PM	#19
Ron in Quincy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Quincy, CA. Posts: 1,708	Re: Engine frame number Let me tell you a true story about my uncle who lived in Stockton, CA. This was about 1965. At his ranch,next to the fence outside the back door sat a 1929 AA Closed Cab1 Ton Truck with a factory Stake bed, all the racks, Ford script on the back of the bed. I made the remark to him that the truck would be excellent for a restoration, that the fact he bought it new and it was the way it came from the factory. He said it was not like it came from the factory !!!! I said "it is not" and he related the following story: In 1929 the Ford dealer telephoned and told him the AA Truck he ordered was in and ready for him to pick it up. When he arrived at the dealership his truck had a Open Cab on it; uncle said was upset, told the dealer he had ordered a Closed Cab not a Open Cab. Setting at the dealership was a new 1/2 Ton Pickup with a Closed Cab on it; the dealer told him to come back tomorrow, I will put that Closed cab on you truck. When he went back the next day the dealership had switched the bodies so uncle took delivery. In looking the truck over I noticed there was no date stamp on the gas tank. I told uncle that was strange as being a 1929 there should be a date stamp on the tank. Uncle told me that the gas tank started leaking around the steering column on the inside about 2 months after he took delivery. Uncle said he called the dealer who told him to bring the truck in and they would take care of the problem; two days later he picked up the truck, the dealership had installed a new gas tank. I suspect who ever ended up with that AA after my uncle passed away, believes it to be all original. Makes you wonder, unless you get to talk to the original owner and find out what really took place with the vehicle, it may not be the way it came from the factory. Ron

03-26-2015, 05:26 AM	#20
GT66PONY Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 48	Re: Engine frame number Good story! When I went to look at this truck, for the first time I did not know what I was going to do with it! I have a 66 Mustang fastback GT, A 06 Mustang GT, A 78 Ranger a 1980 Camaro Z28 And I Did not know anything about a Model A !! I was thinking street rod, Rat rod or driver!! When I saw the truck for the first time, it was way too nice to butcher!!! It is fast becoming my favorite toy !!