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03-22-2017, 11:08 AM | #1 |
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Conversion of Banjo Rear Axle to Modern Axles
Several folks have ask about past magazine articles on converting a Banjo Rear Axle to except Modern Axles. I posted a very faint example in another thread, It came from Street Rodder Feb 1985. I also have copies of (also fairly poor quality) of a Hot Rod article from Nov 1960. In both cases the rear end used for the more modern parts was the 49-50 & early 51 Mercury. There are three basic group of parts required, the axle gears, the axles themselves & the ends of the axle housings.
I did not want to attempt to locate an early Mercury axle and based on a lot of research came up with a similar approach using Ford 9 inch axles and housing ends and a 7.5 set of Ford axle gears. Again, anyone interested in details, let me know, I was mainly post the magazine references in response to the question. |
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Unless you really know what your doing and have excess to the equipment required, a better approach would probably be going with one of the kits available such as Hot Rod Works.
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03-22-2017, 11:19 AM | #3 |
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Re: Conversion of Banjo Rear Axle to Modern Axles
This stuff goes way back...there is a how-to in Car Craft magazine about 1953 or 4, I think. They used '49 Merc (I think F-1 ar the same...?) axles, and noted that '49-51 Lincoln axles were a stronger alternative.
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03-22-2017, 11:27 AM | #4 |
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Yes, I see references in later articles about earlier ones, but I have never found the originals ones. But then again I really haven't tried that hard!
Many ways to go about this, the only big deal is the axle side gear fitting and matting up with the original banjo spider gears. |
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This is just for Information for anyone interested: (Dana Spicer 41/44 axles) The 49 through 51 Mercury and 48 through 52 Ford F1 pickups have essentially the same rear axle assemblies in years mentioned with exception to the spring pads. 1950 was the change over year for all Dana 41 to Dana 44 but the innards and axles plus the housing ends should be the same. The Police cars and Ford Station Wagons also used this axle assembly. Later F100 pickups are also very similar but I'm not sure about the width or length of axle shafts. I think they were all 19-spline well up into the mid to later 50s. Whether their use is any less work, probably not but I though I'd throw this out there in case anyone might have an interest.
The 9-inch stuff is A-OK but I found it interesting that they mentioned the Dana axles back then. There is stuff still available for them as for the 9-inch even though the 9-inch is likely more popular among hot rodders. The 49/51 Lincoln axle assy is an odd ball and very few parts are available for it. |
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My avatar roadster has a 40 banjo rear end and I sent the housings and ring gear/carrier to a guy in Idaho that modified it to take 9" axles-bearings-brakes but retained the spring hangers so I still have a transverse spring. No worries about a broken axle now.
I think he has retired and his kids are running the machine shop now but still do the work. They supplied spider gears, not sure what they came from. Last edited by deuce_roadster; 03-22-2017 at 01:51 PM. Reason: spiders |
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It's side gears, the spider gears used are the original stock one (at least that is normally how it's done). I made the same mistake in an earlier post, confusing the terms. I think that is the same gentleman who help me sort out the correct side gears to use!
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The Hot Rod Works is in Caldwell, Idaho.
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03-22-2017, 03:11 PM | #10 |
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I have spoken with them, but this gentleman was retired and may have been a different source (or maybe not). I just can't remember, but he was very helpful.
A fellow going by Modernbeat posted a transcription of the Hot Rod Nov 1960 article back in 2003 if anyone is interested: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...ux-w-pics.151/ Good Rod & Custom article on HRW conversion: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1112r...banjo-rearend/ Last edited by JSeery; 03-22-2017 at 04:07 PM. |
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My understanding is Wayne sold the business to a couple of brothers and it became Hot Rod Works. |
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Yep, It was Wayne that did my work. And yes, I misspoke, SIDE gears, I knew what I meant but typed the wrong word. Thanks for correcting me, I need that at my age!
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Thanks again for your sharing/input to this subject. I started reading/studying first old referenced article above. Now, I'm no computer nerd, and can not get any pictures to show/open from the old article. Keeps sending to to HAMB when I click on picture. Any help |
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They a embedded later in the thread I believe. But I have them if you want them.
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The second half. With the proper cutters there is no need to anneal the ring gear to machine it. This is all with the early parts, but you can accomplish the same thing with the 7.5 side gears (different machine measurements). And I believe they both require the 11 tooth spider gears. The Street Rodder article (Feb 1985) is most likely the precursor to the approach HRW is using.
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Never mind my comments about first article. I'm with you now ! Day late/dollar short, as I had/have habit of giving away stuff to guys I know. Now know why that may not have always been a good thing. Hey, might get lucky and have one (good desirable banjo)in the dirt pile yet . |
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I did this several years ago on my 36 rear axle in my 32 Tudor.
I bought the axle housing ends from a Ford 9". I bought the axle gears (side gears) from HRW in Idaho. Because of the 36 rear axle, I had to replace the spider gears from 11 tooth to 12 tooth (or) 12 tooth to 11 tooth (can't remember) I then took the 36 housings to my machine shop & had the axle ends changed. The same shop did the work on the carrier assy ( I had some drawings of the modifications needed). After assembly, I measured & got the new axles from Dutchman axles. I also used the Ford 9" brakes that are self adjusting & are the same 5 x 5 1/2 bolt pattern as original. This is an excellent modification, I think, and it's worked well for me for the past 6 years. I also converted to open drive using a kit from HRW. I had the truck banjo housing & gears, but they weren't the ratio I wanted. |
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Awe, the joys of QC!
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03-24-2017, 07:53 AM | #19 |
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I built this into a old quickchange I found. It is a labor intensive process. I was manager of Manufacturing Engineering for an aerospace plant and we had a great tool room. One thing the article forgets is that the side gears (I used a mustang 28 spline axle two left side ales) also need the outer OD ground to fit into the stock housing. You do not need to anneal the ring gear but must use carbide cutting tools or in my case an internal grinder. Without the guys in the tool room I would have never been able to do this. I would like to do it again but with out a well equipped machine shop I think it would be too much trouble. There was an article called pep up your quickchange from the sixties but as I said tey did not include everything you need to do.
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03-24-2017, 08:05 AM | #20 |
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You must have missed that part.
"Outer diameter of the axle gears must be ground down to permit gears to fit into carrier housing. Approximately 3/16 inch of material is removed." |
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