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Ak29 · 03-30-2017, 06:09 PM

How rare is a Feb. 1928 pickup made in Ontario Canada frame number CAO 271. It doesn't have the original engine.

HoarseWhisperer · 03-30-2017, 08:49 PM

According to the JS/RG CAO 271 was the last half of October, 1930?

Ak29 · 03-31-2017, 01:23 AM

I had seen that in the Judging Standards but it has the early braking system with the left hand emergency brake handle. I was wondering if the "0" was part of the frame number and not the engine number?

Ed Saniewski · 03-31-2017, 05:05 AM

I don't think Ford used zero's in the numbering system that way. Is there a chance the O is a 8?

SGT in Ont. · 03-31-2017, 07:01 AM

Canadian Model A's used a completely different number system than the American Plants. What you see as a zero is actually the letter O.
As to the engine number being from a late 30 in a early 28. It was propably a rebuilt engine that was in the system and back then nobody cared much about the engine number matching the year for the vehicle. It was more of an issue of keeping the vehicle on the road and running.

HoarseWhisperer · 03-31-2017, 07:58 AM

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Can you share an image of the number, Ak29?

HoarseWhisperer · 03-31-2017, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Saniewski

I don't think Ford used zero's in the numbering system that way. Is there a chance the O is a 8?

If by chance it is CA8271, it could be from May 1928.

ronn · 03-31-2017, 12:03 PM

If by chance it is CA8271, it could be from May 1928.

and that would be very early for Canada.

HoarseWhisperer · 03-31-2017, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronn

If by chance it is CA8271, it could be from May 1928.

and that would be very early for Canada.

Trying to recall when Canada introduced the pickup?

Ak29 · 04-01-2017, 12:11 AM

It's not my pickup but I might be able to look at the number closer on Saturday.

Synchro909 · 04-01-2017, 05:12 PM

I understand that Canadian Model A engines had "CA" prefixes for local sale and for export, they used 3 letters. My 1929 engine number starts with "CAQ".
I'm sure others will chime in here if I'm wrong.
CAO seems right to me but I don't know when that would have been produced. Someone here listed the Canadian letter series and dates some time ago. I just found the thread! Look at post #9
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...engine+numbers

HoarseWhisperer · 04-01-2017, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synchro909

I understand that Canadian Model A engines had "CA" prefixes for local sale and for export, they used 3 letters. My 1929 engine number starts with "CAQ".
I'm sure others will chime in here if I'm wrong.
CAO seems right to me but I don't know when that would have been produced. Someone here listed the Canadian letter series and dates some time ago. I just found the thread! Look at post #9
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...engine+numbers

The two letter CA was used from the beginning through Aug 29'. Three letters such as your CAQ started Sept 1929. It's all in the RG/JS Canadian Supplement. I look forward to an image of what Ak29 posted.

Ak29 · 04-01-2017, 10:45 PM

The guy looked closer at his frame number and the 0 is really a 3 so the number is CA3271 that would mean that the frame was stamped in early April in 1928. I looked in the Judging Standards and it said that the closed cab pickup didn't come out until June of 1928. What I'm wondering now is would Canada have gotten the pickup before the U.S. or was the truck put together in June or later? And is there any way to tell how many more trucks were made before this one?

Ak29 · 04-01-2017, 11:26 PM

Another thing I was wondering where exactly would the manufacturing date of the body be stamped on the left firewall?

Randy in ca · 04-02-2017, 01:01 AM

I thought I'd heard that Canadian cars didn't have either the date stamped on the upper left firewall or the serial number on the frame as U.S. ones did - i.e. it was only on the engine (?).

HoarseWhisperer · 04-02-2017, 07:48 AM

According to the JS Canadian Supplement, engines and frames were stamped with the matching numbers through late 1928. Canada did not produce the 28-29' 82-A closed cab pickup (only the open 76-A), but started with the 82-B closed cab for 1930-31. Is this vehicle an open or closed cab?

Bick in New Zealand · 04-03-2017, 03:43 AM

Another feature to look for is the body number on the front seat sill passenger side.

03-30-2017, 06:09 PM	#1
Ak29 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 28	Canadian pickup # CAO 271 How rare is a Feb. 1928 pickup made in Ontario Canada frame number CAO 271. It doesn't have the original engine.

03-30-2017, 08:49 PM	#2
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 According to the JS/RG CAO 271 was the last half of October, 1930? __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)

03-31-2017, 01:23 AM	#3
Ak29 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 28	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 I had seen that in the Judging Standards but it has the early braking system with the left hand emergency brake handle. I was wondering if the "0" was part of the frame number and not the engine number?

03-31-2017, 05:05 AM	#4
Ed Saniewski Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 964	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 I don't think Ford used zero's in the numbering system that way. Is there a chance the O is a 8? __________________ Model A Ford Club of New Jersey http://www.mafcnj.org Model A Pick Up Owners and Enthusiasts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=5

03-31-2017, 07:01 AM	#5
SGT in Ont. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Milton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 Canadian Model A's used a completely different number system than the American Plants. What you see as a zero is actually the letter O. As to the engine number being from a late 30 in a early 28. It was propably a rebuilt engine that was in the system and back then nobody cared much about the engine number matching the year for the vehicle. It was more of an issue of keeping the vehicle on the road and running.

03-31-2017, 07:58 AM	#6
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Can you share an image of the number, Ak29? __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)

03-31-2017, 12:03 PM	#8
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,790	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 If by chance it is CA8271, it could be from May 1928. and that would be very early for Canada.

04-01-2017, 12:11 AM	#10
Ak29 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 28	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 It's not my pickup but I might be able to look at the number closer on Saturday.

04-01-2017, 05:12 PM	#11
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 I understand that Canadian Model A engines had "CA" prefixes for local sale and for export, they used 3 letters. My 1929 engine number starts with "CAQ". I'm sure others will chime in here if I'm wrong. CAO seems right to me but I don't know when that would have been produced. Someone here listed the Canadian letter series and dates some time ago. I just found the thread! Look at post #9 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...engine+numbers __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

04-01-2017, 10:45 PM	#13
Ak29 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 28	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 The guy looked closer at his frame number and the 0 is really a 3 so the number is CA3271 that would mean that the frame was stamped in early April in 1928. I looked in the Judging Standards and it said that the closed cab pickup didn't come out until June of 1928. What I'm wondering now is would Canada have gotten the pickup before the U.S. or was the truck put together in June or later? And is there any way to tell how many more trucks were made before this one?

04-01-2017, 11:26 PM	#14
Ak29 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 28	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 Another thing I was wondering where exactly would the manufacturing date of the body be stamped on the left firewall?

04-02-2017, 01:01 AM	#15
Randy in ca Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,646	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 I thought I'd heard that Canadian cars didn't have either the date stamped on the upper left firewall or the serial number on the frame as U.S. ones did - i.e. it was only on the engine (?). Last edited by Randy in ca; 04-02-2017 at 01:36 AM.

04-02-2017, 07:48 AM	#16
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 According to the JS Canadian Supplement, engines and frames were stamped with the matching numbers through late 1928. Canada did not produce the 28-29' 82-A closed cab pickup (only the open 76-A), but started with the 82-B closed cab for 1930-31. Is this vehicle an open or closed cab? __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)

04-03-2017, 03:43 AM	#17
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: Canadian pickup # CAO 271 Another feature to look for is the body number on the front seat sill passenger side. __________________ 1928 Roadster (CA67) 1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD 1931 Victoria RHD Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.