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09-13-2019, 03:12 PM | #1 |
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Restored Nebraska Model "A" Is junk
can someone please post the news article of today, where a Nebraska Model "A" owner cannot get the car licensed because it was once classified as junk.
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09-13-2019, 03:21 PM | #2 |
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https://journalstar.com/news/state-a...bf148417a.html
There's a Car & Driver story too but this one has more info. |
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09-13-2019, 04:11 PM | #3 |
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In Illinois I think this would be a salvage title. There are companies that specialize in getting a title for these cars. Need to have your ducks in a row when restoring an unlicensed car.
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I don't begin to understand the concept of a title for a car (we don't have them) but from what I've read here, some states over there don't issue titles for cars over a certain age. How would somebody from one of those states go if they owned such a car and moved to a state that does have titles for them? Is it possible to get this car registered in a state with no titles, then transfer it to your home state? Maybe create a bill of sale to help?
I'm only taking wild guesses here because I can't fathom such a (what seems to me) crazy system. FWIW, If a car was involved in an accident here, the insuranced company assessors can write it off as a total loss or as a "Repairable Writeoff". The latter can be repaired and so long as it passes inspection, can be put back on the road.
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As for crazy systems, we have plenty too. Maybe it's because I grew up here and therefore understand the way it works here better but it seems to me you guys take the prize. When ever government of any pursuation gets involved, common sense go out the window, IMO.
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Agree...but it isn't much of a prize.
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Our parliamentary system is "supposedly" based on the best of the British and American systems We still have a state system for car rego unfortunately. The British federal system would be better. Canada seems to have the state system too. |
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IMHO, it makes no sense in the US for every state to have their own vehicle licensing rules and regulations...different traffic laws...unique drivers license requirements...different insurance requirements. It may have made sense when the car first came on the scene and people rarely left their county, but times have changed, and as with many things, we haven't kept up with the times.
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It's all about the money (Licensing fees etc.)
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FWIW, Australia is the same size as your lower 48 and has 6 states and 2 territories. The largest state is Western Australia, which if layed over the west of the US would cover an area to somewhere well east of the rockies, probably through about Denver is my guess. I love driving the A over those long distances where the highest spot between you and the horizon is the top of your own car.
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I flew from Sydney to Hong Kong once. From looking out the window it seemed like we remained over the same exact spot for several hours.
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That sounds pretty right!
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Speedway Motors and the American Museum of Speed are in Lincoln, the capitol city of Nebraska. As a participant in the Speedster Reunion, I've toured the capitol and had lunch at Swanson Ford. Speedway is a major player in Lincoln and I suspect that the Smith brothers may intercede.
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In Illinois, a few years ago, we had a number of titles revoked by the Secretary of State because the titles had been 'washed' by one of the out of state non-title required businesses. All of the revoked titles were then required to post a bond for three years at 150% of the value of the vehicle to ultimately get a good title in Illinois, if no one claimed that vehicle/title information.
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I've just built up a Model A from parts I had laying about. How would you guys get something like that on the road?
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It depends upon what state you live in.
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A typical process would be to (a) show any existing title for the chassis that you used; (b) complete an affidavit describing where the bits of the car are from, how you assembled it, and certifying that it meets state roadworthiness standards; and (c) have a DMV inspector check it out.
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I think what Synchro is asking is "what if you didn't have any sort of title, but just assembled it from various parts." Again, every state will be different.
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Hmmm, seems the "United States" are not very consistent!
I know many over there consider this country to be solialist but we are far more consistent. Once registered in one state, easy in any other. It's all acedemic becasue I will never need to put a car on the road over there and most likely none of you will need to do it here. Each visit I make to the US reminds me that our two countries are nearly the same but at the same time, very different
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No, we are not consistent. Depends on your state.
some states require almost nothing and others want everything. Best states to be in are those wo an inspection. not much different then living in any of the countries in Europe. Every country has diff laws. |
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I believe you guys have a much smaller population than the US, I think we are many times larger. With no two regions that think alike. |
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It's an "evolved system" That means it's not the same as it was when it started. The idea was a title to a car like a deed to a house or property. It proved ownership! Now, Transferring titles has become a money maker for the state governments. Add to that the sales tax that collected at transfer and you have some pretty heavy cash revenue for the state govt. One question the gets asked a lot, is why do they collect the sales tax at every sale. Maybe once, when the car is new, but why at every successive sale? The whole system shows a lot of institutional corruption at every turn. In Pennsylvania it's worse, we have only private agents and they have pretty much a free hand to charge what they want, and they do! The only way around this is to go to the main MVA in Harrisburg, but that's over a hundred miles away.
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Wow, What a lot of chasing around. In Ontario you fill out a form for the vehicle information, get a appraisal for value and fill a affidavit from a Lawyer hand it in and they fill out the ownership for you. Pay the taxes on the value and away you go. A little trickier with a Hot Rod because you need a VIN.
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There are certain responsibilitiues that fall to the Federal Government and others to the states. For example, only the Federal Government can raise a tax. They are also solely responsible for defense. The states handle things like car registration and land titles, health and education. One of the most annoying things I have found when travelling over there is when buying something. There is the price, then there is a local tax and a state tax and maybe more, plus (in many cases) a tip. By law here, the advertised price is what you pay. NO EXTRAS! IMO, Our two political/legal sytsems are like us - very similar and nothing like the same! Maybe it's because I grew up here and understand the place better but I think there is greater uniformity accross the length and breadth Australia than I have seen in the US. Whether that is good or bad, I haven't decided.
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At what stage does a car cease to be a car? As I remove parts, it first becomes undrivable but still a title is needed. From then on, it is only a pile of parts (IMO) but I am aware that even that requires a title. Does a bare chassis require a chassis or must it have the two axles and four wheels to need that? Maybe an engine - how about a transmission - steering anyone? Taken to the extreme, do I need a title if I have four wheels only?
This seems such a complex and confusing system. Guess you have to have been brought up with it.
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its all as complex as you make it- many here make it extremely complex, for lack of understanding..................
I have no problem titling anything. I live in NJ and NY and find it pretty easy. |
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Birdman, you either have a good Maine title or you dont. no grey areas here.
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I have a 'semi good' Maryland title. Title was transferred legally by the state (MD) to me, however there is a discrepancy in the vin. There is a letter where a number should be, and a number where a letter should be. I presented evidence at the time of issuance showing how the mistake was made and how it cant be any other way, the girl at the dmv almost made the corrections herself, then she thought twice and asked her supervisor who stepped in. At that time she said the original issuing state had to make the corrections, which happens to be Maine. When I contacted Maine dmv they said they have no records for older cars and they could not help me.
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and the discrepancy should just be left alone. it is a human error and you have a good title.
this is where I feel people take things too far. no disrespect meant Birdman. I have heard guys go bonkers because their coupe title doesnt say "3 window"....... they never did. sometimes a roadster title just says 2 drs. guess what? a roadster has 2 drs...... |
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Per the pieces to cars process in MD supposedly I can schedule and take my finished project to the central motor vehicle administration site and the MD state police will inspect and certify it as well as apply a state issued VIN plate. |
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And my humblest apologies to the op for getting off of subject, but as strict as Maryland is with the DMV, amongst many other things, there is no inspection requirement for getting tags for an antique car. Only requirement is that you have insurance. Oddly enough when I applied for YOM tags, THEY had to be inspected (to make sure they were still reflective and not a duplicate number). Tags inspected-Yes, car inspected-No!!!
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