Interesting GAZ B engine "barn find" in Russia.

[M2M]

See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFBUZfIp4U

Seller says in video that it is/was fitted with a magneto? (in the comments section he wrote he sold it for 21000 RUB).

Also, here's an interesting video of an GAZ engine tear down and rebuild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKArCieTs8o

[3.6rs]

Originally Posted by M2M

[B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=Teal]See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFBUZfIp4U

Seller says in video that it is/was fitted with a magneto? (in the comments section he wrote he sold it for 21000 RUB).

I think that this video maker has Parkinson !

[SeaSlugs]

Batteries and particularly the lead itself was more useful as "projectiles" than starting and running a car/truck/tractor or stationary engine during that time period...Exhaust manifold goes up so I'm leaning towards stationary engine or tractor type vehicle. Possibly boat but would be hard to hand crank a boat to start it.

[Synchro909]

What am I missing? I didn't see any oiling holes in those main bearings. Also that fan looks a bit wobbly.
An interesting project, especially if they had retained the magneto.
Thanks, M2M.

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by M2M

See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTFBUZfIp4U

Seller says in video that it is/was fitted with a magneto? (in the comments section he wrote he sold it for 21000 RUB).

Also, here's an interesting video of an GAZ engine tear down and rebuild:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKArCieTs8o

Hey M2M,
What is that in US money ? I'm thinking $368.00 or so ! If so, and that is a 'perfect' gaz B block, I'd get it and if a perfect block, it should have a C type crank and rods ect to make the deal even better.
HOWEVER, it appears to be a hunk of rusty iron sitting out in weather. Ergo, without a teardown...I'd pass on it.
Of course, that is also if it were next door and not in Russia.

[Synchro909]

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Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hey M2M,
What is that in US money ? I'm thinking $368.00 or so ! If so, and that is a 'perfect' gaz B block, I'd get it and if a perfect block, it should have a C type crank and rods ect to make the deal even better.
HOWEVER, it appears to be a hunk of rusty iron sitting out in weather. Ergo, without a teardown...I'd pass on it.
Of course, that is also if it were next door and not in Russia.

There's no saying the Russian B blocks were as prone to cracking as the US ones so who knows?

[Terry, NJ]

M2M, I didn't know the way to say "Garage Tools" in Russian was Garage Tools! I'm finding more and more cognates all the time. I still couldn't understand a word they said in the video. Pronunciation has a lot to do with it. Was that truck the one they pulled off the lake bottom in your last posting ? 73 Goda= 73 years, 1944, the year I was born!
Terry

[Corley]

Why does that "magnito" look more like an oil pump, connected to that oil filter?

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

There's no saying the Russian B blocks were as prone to cracking as the US ones so who knows?

Well, so I'm saying that the Russian B blocks were not prone to cracking !
I'm running one for a dozen or more years now and warmed up and run hard. I also know others who use same and never have experiences any problems. Mine was NOS and in cosmoline when I got it. Just my opinion that it appeared to be as good or maybe heavier than USA built. Of course any used B block would have had metal flaking off of cooling system for 80 or so years, whereas my GAZ was new.

Of course, I don't let it overheat by letting it run out of coolant and/or subject it to freezing with water in it. These and other such abuse will tend to ruin blocks.

[M2M]

Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hey M2M,
What is that in US money ? I'm thinking $368.00 or so ! If so, and that is a 'perfect' gaz B block, I'd get it and if a perfect block, it should have a C type crank and rods ect to make the deal even better.
HOWEVER, it appears to be a hunk of rusty iron sitting out in weather. Ergo, without a teardown...I'd pass on it.
Of course, that is also if it were next door and not in Russia.

1 USD = 60 RUB so you're correct about the price. A fair price I think assuming the block isn't damaged; also my guess this stationary engine was made post-WW2 making it less valuable than one made prewar. It must be remembered that Soviet made classic cars are very expensive because of the supply/demand equation. There were only 42000 GAZ-A made from 1932-1936; less than 20 have survived with many of these being incorrect or poorly restored. One million GAZ-AA were made from 1932-1950 but again, very few of these have survived. Until 1986 all trucks were government property (they could not be sold to individuals), so when these trucks broke down they were scrapped.

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Hardtimes, what's the story of how you ended up finding/buying a NOS GAZ B block?

[Terry, NJ]

Very Interesting! On many levels! I was watching the video where they compared the Jeep Wrangeler and the GAZ 66 (?) Almost made me homesick for the South Jersey Pines again. The pines and the sand (pine sand) I really had to think whether the video was shot in Jackson. And the same problems with traction. The GAZ ran first and got mired in a couple of times, but the driver was able to free it. Then the much newer Jeep (Russian version) was run through the "Course". I figured Here it comes the inevitable "Russian is better!" crap we've all seen before. The Jeep is junk! But surprisingly, the jeep seemed to do alright! Of course that was only visual, There was a running commentary in Russian that I got one word in fifty. In other videos I saw of GAZ 67b, they seemed to use a Ford "B" engine up until fairly modern times. Then I started the video about the 47 Packard, (ZIM, ZIL ?) and then my wife called me to supper.
Terri

[M2M]

Originally Posted by Terry, NJ

In other videos I saw of GAZ 67b, they seemed to use a Ford "B" engine up until fairly modern times.

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The GAZ 67b (1943-1953) is the "Last of the Mohicans", so to speak, in GAZ using Ford A/B parts; a B motor, top section of the hood from an A, instruments from an A, etc.

Perfect car for a Model A guy who wants 4x4. You can a buy nice one in Russia/Ukraine for about USD 15000. They're not bad off-road, see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWCrxkrt5k

Interestingly, these were used by the North Koreans to take on US and Australian forces during the Korean War.

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[Brendan]

what a trip! i looked at some videos on youtube, they have a Model A dash and banjo front and rear end. are there a lot of these over there

[Terry, NJ]

You just told me what I saw, many years ago, in a Ford dealership in Lakewood, NJ. This was sometime in the 1970s. The dealer had taken in a collection of A s and there was this military type, jeep type of vehicle in the collection. I was not into Mod.A s at the time, but I had never seen or heard of a Military A, especially one with a split windshield. Now I realize it must have been one of these GAZs.
Terry

[M2M]

Originally Posted by Brendan

are there a lot of these over there

These jeeps are not super rare, there are always a dozen or so for sale at any one time, but finding a nice and correct one at a sensible price is not easy.

[SeaSlugs]

Originally Posted by M2M

These jeeps are not super rare, there are always a dozen or so for sale at any one time, but finding a nice and correct one at a sensible price is not easy.

Do they rust out bad like our jeeps?

[M2M]

Originally Posted by SeaSlugs

Do they rust out bad like our jeeps?

Rust can be a problem but it's more the case that many of these jeeps that are for sale have been beaten to near death and/or the engine has been replaced with a later model GAZ engine and/or it's had a home made amateur conversion into a closed car.

It would be cool to have one of these in the USA and take it to a MAFCA or MARC event for judging

[Terry, NJ]

Is there a supply of GAZ/Ford B engines? Or is the supply very limited? I'd like to get (With manuals in English) a Russian B engine if the costs are not too high. Your right, it would be cool!
Terry

Originally Posted by M2M

Rust can be a problem but it's more the case that many of these jeeps that are for sale have been beaten to near death and/or the engine has been replaced with a later model GAZ engine and/or it's had a home made amateur conversion into a closed car.

It would be cool to have one of these in the USA and take it to a MAFCA or MARC event for judging

[john charlton]

I recently sold a model B cylinder head to a guy who had one of these Russian jeeps his had frost damage . The head I sold him was the Detroit/Dagenham one with the "C" embossed between the no2 and 3 spark plug location .As we know this was put there so stock men could not get confused with the "B" on the police head . As this situation would not arise in Russia I asked if the Russian head still had a "C" and sure enough it did . That would indicate the USA supplied molds were still being used .

John in cold sunny day Suffolk County England .

[M2M]

Originally Posted by Terry, NJ

Is there a supply of GAZ/Ford B engines? Or is the supply very limited? I'd like to get (With manuals in English) a Russian B engine if the costs are not too high. Your right, it would be cool!
Terry

Finding a NOS GAZ B block is near impossible nowadays. Used engines are around but when you add shipping, import duties and other costs and fees the total price would likely be around $1000...at that price it's not worth it IMHO.

What makes more sense is buying a complete car in the right condition and shipping it in a 20' or 40' container to the USA. I have some good contacts in Russia who could possibly help in finding one if anyone is interested.

There is one of these in Australia and I personally know the owner and the car, see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7E2GioDZBo

It has an amazing history, all documented. It was captured by Australian forces in a deadly ambush during the Korean War. It was then used by the Australians (photo exists of the jeep in Korea during the war). When the war ended it ended up back in Australia. The Defence Department sold it to farmer in the 1950s. A well known military vehicle collector found and restored it the 1980s with a visit the USSR to buy parts. Last I heard the car was for sale but because of the unique history of the vehicle the asking price was not a small amount of money.

[M2M]

For those interested, this link has 200 photos (on 8 pages) of a nice GAZ 67b:

http://svsm.org/gallery/gaz67b?page=1

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by M2M

For those interested, this link has 200 photos (on 8 pages) of a nice GAZ 67b:

http://svsm.org/gallery/gaz67b?page=1

Sorry late to answer but, I just read your inquiry regarding my Russian B nos block.
Many decades ago, a guy who was (half ownership) owner of Antique Ford in Los Angeles area, imported a container full of nos Russian B engines. Over time, these engines were dis-pursed throughout SoCal. In about 1999, I looked at one such Russian B at a 'rebuilder' shop in Turlock. The owner had obtained it for his Tudor restore project....'someday' . He wanted to rebuild a warmed up B engine for me and we settled on the block from this engine as starting piece. Being a neophyte , I only kept the block ! This B has run flawlessly in my A since then. Of course , it should as all of best material/labor was used to warm it up.
BTW...you mention 'availability' of this nos block nowadays. Just last week, I visited a guy who had just sold a nos Russian block that he had stored away from the original bunch that Joe had imported back when. So, they are still out there, stored away and maybe forgotten till the old guy passes or ? You're purchasing price is a bit off though, IMO !

[Terry, NJ]

Is the Papasha ( PPSH ) real/ active? In the US you would need a classIII license to have one that is a "De Activated War Trophy" "Dewated"

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The GAZ 67b (1943-1953) is the "Last of the Mohicans", so to speak, in GAZ using Ford A/B parts; a B motor, top section of the hood from an A, instruments from an A, etc.

Perfect car for a Model A guy who wants 4x4. You can a buy nice one in Russia/Ukraine for about USD 15000. They're not bad off-road, see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMWCrxkrt5k

Interestingly, these were used by the North Koreans to take on US and Australian forces during the Korean War.

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[M2M]

Originally Posted by Terry, NJ

Is the Papasha ( PPSH ) real/ active? In the US you would need a classIII license to have one that is a "De Activated War Trophy" "Dewated"

Probably a replica but I'm sure there are guys out there with real ones stashed at home. WW2 and even WW1 weapons have been seen in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine including Maxim guns and T-34 tanks, see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1qQMAcC2xM

[Terry, NJ]

Wow! That's impressive! that stuff had to survive 40 years of KGB snooping. Where was it? And all of it takes 7.62 X 54. How much of that is hanging around? The Russian Army only has that one sniper rifle that takes it today AFAIK. The Red army didn't use anything else except in it's pistols with one exception, the PPSH used a smaller pistol round that was originally the German "Broomhandle" Mauser round Also 7.62mm. I even noticed a couple of KAR 98s in 8 MM Mauser. What attic were they hiding in? I've seen some videos of guys searching what I'm sure are the Pripuyet marshes and finding a lot of WWII stuff, some of it was beyond help, but some of it looked restorable. Mostly Moisin Nagants and PPSHs. FUN!
Terry

Originally Posted by M2M

Probably a replica but I'm sure there are guys out there with real ones stashed at home. WW2 and even WW1 weapons have been seen in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine including Maxim guns and T-34 tanks, see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1qQMAcC2xM

[SeaSlugs]

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Originally Posted by Terry, NJ

Wow! That's impressive! that stuff had to survive 40 years of KGB snooping. Where was it? And all of it takes 7.62 X 54. How much of that is hanging around? The Russian Army only has that one sniper rifle that takes it today AFAIK. The Red army didn't use anything else except in it's pistols with one exception, the PPSH used a smaller pistol round that was originally the German "Broomhandle" Mauser round Also 7.62mm. I even noticed a couple of KAR 98s in 8 MM Mauser. What attic were they hiding in? I've seen some videos of guys searching what I'm sure are the Pripuyet marshes and finding a lot of WWII stuff, some of it was beyond help, but some of it looked restorable. Mostly Moisin Nagants and PPSHs. FUN!
Terry

I love watching those magnet fishermen who throw those heavy magnets into shallow lakes and rivers and drag up tons of ammo, guns, parts, etc. All cool fun and games till you snag a box of severely rusted grenades

[M2M]

Speaking of the GAZ-67b, here's something you don't see everyday. They're asking 4 million rubles. Certainly would be a show stopper in the USA, although maybe not the right car for the annual 4th of July parade (except in "Little Odessa" Brighton Beach NY).

[M2M]

Here's another nice one in Minsk for sale or trade for Willys MB

http://www.ewillys.com/2017/11/09/ga...-trade-for-mb/

[Terry, NJ]

A restored Cop jeep? "MILITIA" (Police) Is the color correct? How much are they asking? (Just for laughs) The military "jeep" looks like a pretty nice restoration .
Once, many years ago, I ran across one in Lakewood, NJ and no one knew what it was. The most distinctive thing about it was the split windshield. It was in and among a Ford mod A collection that a dealer, or his family had consigned to the dealer to sell.
Terry

[M2M]

Americans checking out the B block. 9th of April 1950, Korea.


Soviets putting the B block bottom end to the test.

[M2M]

[M2M]

Originally Posted by Terry, NJ

A restored Cop jeep? "MILITIA" (Police) Is the color correct? How much are they asking? (Just for laughs)
Terry

Not cheap, asking 4,000,000 RUB. Colour is correct.

[Terry, NJ]

Oh to have cheap access to Russia! How many of those down draft manifolds, carburetors, and fuel pumps (not mention the blocks themselves) are kicking around the garages and sheds of the former Soviet Union? Up to 1953 you say? And a supply of replacement parts made for years afterwards? I wonder if any tooling survives. The earliest GAZ were just mod A s, was everything melted down, or was it put aside into storage? I have always heard that the Soviets saved everything. My Russian friend, who was in the Artillery in WW2. said when the were retreating eastward, they just dug a hole and buried the guns to be dug up later.
Terry

Originally Posted by M2M

[M2M]

[M2M]

[Terry, NJ]

Those Pictures leave me with many thoughts! First of all, The horror of that war on all sides, not only Russian. How many Germans were lost in it as well? Next, Where are all those WW2 Mausers, Moisin Nagants, coming from? Has all that stuff been hiding in barns ad shed since 1945?I didn't see any Shpagins or Tokerevs, or Schmeissers but I'm sure they must exist. A friend once had a semi-auto Tokerev (full auto or selective fire is outlawed in the US) and I shot it a few times. There was no delay in the bolt opening and the bolt was open before the bullet cleared the barrel, It was very painful on the ears! That Russian reenactress with the German uniform on, She didn't fool me for a moment! Something about her said "Russian" immediately. But it was a good show and I'd like to see more. Nice vehicles!
Terry

[M2M]

SOLD! Missed it! New GAZ B block for $90 in Minsk but pick-up only

[M2M]

This GAZ-67b sold for $11500, see:

http://www.gaz69.ru/ipb/topic/135209...%B0%D0%B7-67/?