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petehoovie · 12-05-2017, 04:41 PM

It's time for the 83 year old brake and clutch pedal pads on my '34 to be replace. I find that removing (unscrewing) the the old pads by hand is not an option for me. To those of you who have done this job, what tool did you use? I'm thinking that a strap wrench would be appropriate for this job. I'm concerned about possible damage to the rubber on the new pads I purchased when tightening them down....

JSeery · 12-05-2017, 04:45 PM

Strap wrench is what I would use.

VeryTangled · 12-05-2017, 04:45 PM

Hi Everyone. I had some tough ones too. A dab of penetrating oil helped tremendously. Got 'em by hand afterwards. Tightened by hand going back on.

MGG · 12-05-2017, 04:53 PM

I also tightened the new ones by hand. They have not come loose yet.

DavidG · 12-05-2017, 05:02 PM

Hand tightening should be sufficient. If in doubt, use Loctite.

JSeery · 12-05-2017, 05:22 PM

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Question, how does he do it by hand if he states that is not an option for him?

petehoovie · 12-05-2017, 06:08 PM

I see that the new pads I purchased came with a thick split lock washer. I don't know if the original pads use this split washer as I have not removed them yet. Can someone recommend a quality strap wrench? It seems to me that it will be difficult to collapse this washer by hand tightening the pad without a tool. Using Loctite as DavidG suggested and eliminating the split washer might be the way to go....

JM 35 Sedan · 12-05-2017, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by petehoovie

I see that the new pads I purchased came with a thick split lock washer. I don't know if the original pads use this split washer as I have not removed them yet. Can someone recommend a quality strap wrench? It seems to me that it will be difficult to collapse this washer by hand tightening the pad without a tool. Using Loctite as DavidG suggested and eliminating the split washer might be the way to go....

Mike, the original pedal pads had a tapered thread that locked in place on the taperd female threads on the pedal arms, when hand tightened, requiring no lock washers. Today's repros have a straight thread making a lock washer or loctite more of a necessity.
I've always used an old strap wrench that has a leather strap to remove or install pedal pads. This is a well made "hand me down" tool. No idea who made it.

DavidG · 12-05-2017, 07:13 PM

JSeery,

With respect, he referred to removal of the old by hand not being an option, not to installing the new ones by hand.

Talkwrench · 12-05-2017, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

Hand tightening should be sufficient. If in doubt, use Loctite.

Just a word of warning, I did do that without thinking and when it came to screw the pad off it wouldn't budge! I had to drill the centre and "easyout' the bastard..

DavidG · 12-05-2017, 09:33 PM

There are several types of Loctite, including those that don't effectively weld the threads together.

JSeery · 12-05-2017, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

JSeery,

With respect, he referred to removal of the old by hand not being an option, not to installing the new ones by hand.

Thought that is what I was answering? Guess this question is over my head!

petehoovie · 12-06-2017, 01:46 AM

JSeery - You done good. You answered my question. I'll need a tool (strap wrench) to remove the pads....I might not need a tool to install the new ones. That is, I might be able to install the new pads by hand. Thanks....

Mart · 12-06-2017, 03:07 AM

No need for a strap wrench if you don't have one..

Take a piece of scrap wood, roughly 3 inches wide and 3/4 thick and 12" to 14" long. I used a piece from a broken up pallet.

Clamp the wood to the face of the pedal pad with 2 G clamps.

Use the leverage of the wood to turn the pedal pad. Once you have broken it loose you should be able to continue by hand, or reapply the wood for a second go.

The wood will key into the rubber (or remnants of the rubber) without damaging it.

I used the above on some 41pu pedal pads, one did undo by hand, the other was tight and the method above did the trick. I don't have a strap wrench.

The pedals have a pipe thread, you should be able to tighten them by hand tight enough that they will not come undone. If not, the above method can be used to tighten them.

32 pedal pads have a straight 1/2"-20 thread and require a nut and a lock washer. If you are trying to fit a 32 pad to a 33-up you might have a problem.

Mart.

PeteVS · 12-06-2017, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

32 pedal pads have a straight 1/2"-20 thread and require a nut and a lock washer. If you are trying to fit a 32 pad to a 33-up you might have a problem.
Mart.

Pretty sure that '32s have a 7/16-20 thread.

Mart · 12-06-2017, 07:15 AM

^^ Yeah, could be, I was going by memory.

Thanks for the correction.

Mart.

Ggmac · 12-06-2017, 08:18 PM

An oil filter wrench ( small steel banded one ) worked for me . Already had it in the tool box .

petehoovie · 12-06-2017, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ggmac

An oil filter wrench ( small steel banded one ) worked for me . Already had it in the tool box .

Good idea! - That might work. Now, to search for one in my garage....

12-05-2017, 04:41 PM	#1
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,149	'34 Pedal Pads It's time for the 83 year old brake and clutch pedal pads on my '34 to be replace. I find that removing (unscrewing) the the old pads by hand is not an option for me. To those of you who have done this job, what tool did you use? I'm thinking that a strap wrench would be appropriate for this job. I'm concerned about possible damage to the rubber on the new pads I purchased when tightening them down.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

12-05-2017, 04:45 PM	#2
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: '34 Pedal Pads Strap wrench is what I would use.

12-05-2017, 04:45 PM	#3
VeryTangled Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: (Not far enough...) Outside of DC Posts: 3,387	Re: '34 Pedal Pads Hi Everyone. I had some tough ones too. A dab of penetrating oil helped tremendously. Got 'em by hand afterwards. Tightened by hand going back on. __________________ -Jeff H Have you thought about supporting the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum?

12-05-2017, 04:53 PM	#4
MGG Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Oregon City, OR Posts: 285	Re: '34 Pedal Pads I also tightened the new ones by hand. They have not come loose yet.

12-05-2017, 05:02 PM	#5
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: '34 Pedal Pads Hand tightening should be sufficient. If in doubt, use Loctite.

12-05-2017, 05:22 PM	#6
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: '34 Pedal Pads Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Question, how does he do it by hand if he states that is not an option for him?

12-05-2017, 06:08 PM	#7
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,149	Re: '34 Pedal Pads I see that the new pads I purchased came with a thick split lock washer. I don't know if the original pads use this split washer as I have not removed them yet. Can someone recommend a quality strap wrench? It seems to me that it will be difficult to collapse this washer by hand tightening the pad without a tool. Using Loctite as DavidG suggested and eliminating the split washer might be the way to go.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

12-05-2017, 07:13 PM	#9
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: '34 Pedal Pads JSeery, With respect, he referred to removal of the old by hand not being an option, not to installing the new ones by hand.

12-05-2017, 09:33 PM	#11
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: '34 Pedal Pads There are several types of Loctite, including those that don't effectively weld the threads together.

12-06-2017, 01:46 AM	#13
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,149	Re: '34 Pedal Pads JSeery - You done good. You answered my question. I'll need a tool (strap wrench) to remove the pads....I might not need a tool to install the new ones. That is, I might be able to install the new pads by hand. Thanks.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

12-06-2017, 03:07 AM	#14
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,755	Re: '34 Pedal Pads No need for a strap wrench if you don't have one.. Take a piece of scrap wood, roughly 3 inches wide and 3/4 thick and 12" to 14" long. I used a piece from a broken up pallet. Clamp the wood to the face of the pedal pad with 2 G clamps. Use the leverage of the wood to turn the pedal pad. Once you have broken it loose you should be able to continue by hand, or reapply the wood for a second go. The wood will key into the rubber (or remnants of the rubber) without damaging it. I used the above on some 41pu pedal pads, one did undo by hand, the other was tight and the method above did the trick. I don't have a strap wrench. The pedals have a pipe thread, you should be able to tighten them by hand tight enough that they will not come undone. If not, the above method can be used to tighten them. 32 pedal pads have a straight 1/2"-20 thread and require a nut and a lock washer. If you are trying to fit a 32 pad to a 33-up you might have a problem. Mart.

12-06-2017, 07:15 AM	#16
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,755	Re: '34 Pedal Pads ^^ Yeah, could be, I was going by memory. Thanks for the correction. Mart.

12-06-2017, 08:18 PM	#17
Ggmac Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Lake worth Florida Posts: 1,100	Re: '34 Pedal Pads An oil filter wrench ( small steel banded one ) worked for me . Already had it in the tool box .