Rim Flaps! Another $112 + bucks?? come on.

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Originally Posted by Wick

just placed a order for tires tubes and flaps for the rear of the TT....flaps what the heck,I could spend that much on my lady friend on a saturday night,have you checked the price of condoms lately!!!

I hear ya Wick. I mean it's bad enough a guy has to pay them to be a friend for a night and then to have to pay that kind of money for condoms is ridiculous.

[oldmotorsguy]

Great philosophical discussion, this tube flap flap.

On the one hand, you have the worry worts: do it just like the book says, and make sure you disinfect the rim with denatured alcohol, then take the surface down a micron or two with some 480 grit sandpaper, and make sure to cover every single square millimeter, lest disaster result. And to ensure maximum reliability, melt some gold into all the uneven surfaces of the rim (only 24 karat gold, that cheapie stuff will fail, trust me...). If you really want to be safe, then melt pure platinum into all the crevices, this will ensure maxium reliability. That, or buy flaps....but these worry worts tend to go with the platinum...

Then comes my crowd: duct tape. The physics involved here are simply friction creating a pinch point against a plyable tube. Minimize it, and allow the tube to do what it's designed to do. Duct tape will indeed do this with virtually minimum chance of failure, assuming you cover all areas where the tube will want to erroneously wander.

Jim, your concern is well founded. Flaps were not original equipment on Model T's, these were invented by tire companies, who know that worry warts are a great market.

Duct tape at Home Depot: $1.99 a role, on sale. Your best bet.

[yachtsmanbill]

Hey OMG That kinda talk across the hall would get you a time out in the corner kneeling on an asphalt shingle! Dont you know that the gold CANNOT be electroplated but hand burnished from gold leaf! The judges can tell, you know? A twelve year old told me that! LOL ws

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Originally Posted by oldmotorsguy

Great philosophical discussion, this tube flap flap.

On the one hand, you have the worry worts: do it just like the book says, and make sure you disinfect the rim with denatured alcohol, then take the surface down a micron or two with some 480 grit sandpaper, and make sure to cover every single square millimeter, lest disaster result. And to ensure maximum reliability, melt some gold into all the uneven surfaces of the rim (only 24 karat gold, that cheapie stuff will fail, trust me...). If you really want to be safe, then melt pure platinum into all the crevices, this will ensure maxium reliability. That, or buy flaps....but these worry worts tend to go with the platinum...

Then comes my crowd: duct tape. The physics involved here are simply friction creating a pinch point against a plyable tube. Minimize it, and allow the tube to do what it's designed to do. Duct tape will indeed do this with virtually minimum chance of failure, assuming you cover all areas where the tube will want to erroneously wander.

Jim, your concern is well founded. Flaps were not original equipment on Model T's, these were invented by tire companies, who know that worry warts are a great market.

Duct tape at Home Depot: $1.99 a role, on sale. Your best bet.

Wow. You actually believe duct tape was invented to take the place of tire flaps. Apparently you've never seen a blow out that was caused by not having a flap in the tire. I have. Your over-emphasis of what you call worry "worts" (whatever the hell that is) by going off the deep end with the whole disinfecting, gold-plating, platinum filling bullshit only shows your insecurity with your ability to provide a valid argument. Genius experts like you get people killed. So keep using your duct tape and baling wire fixes but you really should stop making dangerous suggestions to people. It's crap like you spread that gives the lawyers in this country fodder to stay in business and become politicians. Maybe the millions of truck drivers on our nations highways should pull the flaps out of their tires too. I'm certain the duct tape manufacturers would like that. Until they were also named in another bullshit lawsuit brought on by people who use your kind of logic.

Mike Garrison

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Originally Posted by yachtsmanbill

Hey OMG That kinda talk across the hall would get you a time out in the corner kneeling on an asphalt shingle! Dont you know that the gold CANNOT be electroplated but hand burnished from gold leaf! The judges can tell, you know? A twelve year old told me that! LOL ws

And you spout more bullshit than oldmotorsguy. You goofy old fart.

[jim galli]

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Com si com sa. I'm taking a little offense to being made to feel like I'm a bailing wire hack just for asking the question. Appreciate all the answers. Wisdom on everything from birth control to world domination.

[yachtsmanbill]

TODAY MINNESOTA... TOMORROW, Za VORLT. Holy cow Mike! That VA doctor mustve been a sourpuss female Colonel and said nothing was wrong and you should just go home and tell yerself its all in yer head!
Ive got a ping pong paddle with your name on it you old cranky so and so or Zo und Zo.
Now I hafta go start the T in the closed garage and have a seat behind the wheel for a few hours! Sure glad it runs on three bangers! ws

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Naw, your not a baling wire hack. I just typed a long post to tell how much I actually know about tire flaps and all like that because when it comes right down to it I don't know squat. But my computer lost the websit and I'm typing this on my telephone. The 3G network always comes through when my provider can't. But I just love creating adversarial situations and stirring the pot On most forums I'm considered a "troll". But because of the politeness of the old farts on this site they'd rather present me with valid arguments then tell me I'm full of crap. There's no way after my last post that I can imagine I haven't pissed oldmotorsguy and yachtsmanbill off and it was my intent to get someone heated up and see where it takes me. 2 of my favorite posts in this forum include tire flaps and whether to use detergent or nondetergent motor oil. Because it can really turn into a good debate. Oldmotors guy probably said it best when he said tire flaps were invented by tire companies to bilk millions of dollars out of unsuspecting automobile owners. But there's no way in he_l I'm going to let him think I agree with him afterall where's the fun in that. Duct tape probably works just fine. I really don't know. The best way to find out is to try it and find out. You know your curious anyway so now if you'll excuse me my work here is finished. I'm going to finish my Windsor and go lay by my dish.

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Oh, and for the record; if you ever get a chance to look under my '26 sedan look at the exhaust hanger. It's baling wire.

[B-nut]

You guys are great entertainment! Thanks!

[CharlieB]

Jim: save your nickles & dimes and do as you say you'll do. Buy the flaps when you can. I know that some guys use duct tape but it's the falsest of false economies. Personal experience: Had a re-done '27 Tudor bought cheap from an estate sale. Everything on the car was done. paint, interior, the works. After 2 years or so I thought the tires looked lousy. (cracks, ect.). Ordered new tires, tubes & flaps. I pulled the old ones off and was surprised to find the remains of duct tape "flaps" wound on the rims. The tape had deteriorated to the point that it was basically dust. All 4 tubes had markings and wear at the joint of the split rims. It was just a matter of time.

[John Danuser]

Its not the cost of the flap and tubes but Fedex and UPS getting them to you that makes them so high, as a dealer I know

[28Ca8149]

I bought a c1915 model t camper ,has 4 wheels . I am restoring it now .The wheels were a problem getting the tires off .There was no liners and the tubes were red .Because the wheels are a little rusty I will have to use liners .The fellow I bought this from for $10,He told me he went 800 miles to Vancouver and back behind his 8cylinder car. in the 30s. He had put Timkin bearings in the wheels

[redmodelt]

And yes I have removed tires from back in the day that had flaps in them, they are not a new thing. See my post why tires today should have flaps, it's back on the first page.

[dumb person]

Originally Posted by 28Ca8149

I bought a c1915 model t camper ,has 4 wheels . I am restoring it now .The wheels were a problem getting the tires off .There was no liners and the tubes were red .Because the wheels are a little rusty I will have to use liners .The fellow I bought this from for $10,He told me he went 800 miles to Vancouver and back behind his 8cylinder car. in the 30s. He had put Timkin bearings in the wheels

Best tube ever. Modern red ones are not the same.

[tinman080]

Originally Posted by Wick

just placed a order for tires tubes and flaps for the rear of the TT....flaps what the heck,I could spend that much on my lady friend on a saturday night,have you checked the price of condoms lately!!!

I guess it depends on how ''heavy duty'' your brand is....hahahaha

[Royce P]

Ford never put a flap in any Model T. Neither have I. Flaps are to keep the inexperienced from puncturing a tube while installing it. For some, they are mandatory. I wear tires completely out, never have had a flat that could have been prevented by a flap. Learn how to install clincher tires properly and you won't ever need one either.

Here's how to do it:
https://modeltfordfix.com/time-to-re...lincher-tires/