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[tucker6077]

Well Golly Sgt. Carter Thank You Thank You Thank You. All you guys support had helped me tremendously. I do believe I have a duel problem and I will know shortly if I have it licked! The car stalling on 90 degree turns is a float problem and the starter having to cool down half an hour is a bad starter! Prayers! 33 cabriolet

[Shoebox]

Originally Posted by tucker6077

Well Golly Sgt. Carter Thank You Thank You Thank You. All you guys support had helped me tremendously. I do believe I have a duel problem and I will know shortly if I have it licked! The car stalling on 90 degree turns is a float problem and the starter having to cool down half an hour is a bad starter! Prayers! 33 cabriolet

Alexander Hamilton also had a "duel" problem

[19Fordy]

Tom: Try rebuilding your starter yourself. Not that hard to do if you have the patience.
Take plenty of photos. Here's a thread about how to take one apart when it was converted to 12V. The principles are the same for your 6V.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...rt+starter+12V

Check with Mac Van Pelt if buying a new starter.,

[tubman]

I have rebuilt a couple flathead starters myself. A few years ago, I bought a bunch of brushes and bushings from Rock Auto on close-out. I am lucky that a friend of mine has a "growler" so I can check the armatures (they usually are good). The biggest problem was finding a soldering iron large enough (300 watts) to solder the brushes with.

[ndnchf]

One of the hardest things to deal with when rebuilding starters and generators is removing and replacing the pole shoe screws. They are extremely tight and need to be. They really cannot be removed/replaced with just a screwdriver.

Last year I pulled apart a model A generator that someone had taken the armature to a grinder to reduce its diameter! - no doubt because they could not tighten the pole shoes enough to properly seat them and allow clearance for the armature. So they just ground the OD of the armature. This clearance is only about .010" - .015" - very close.

An impact wrench with proper fitting tip may work, I used to use one myself. But a couple years ago I built a rig to use in my arbor press. Now removing and replacing them is a breeze. Here is a short video I made about the rig.

https://youtu.be/aQTjMXQffvY?si=zVPmubBiijSPlBm4

[19Fordy]

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That little gizmo you made to remove the pole shoe screws is really slick. I bet a drill press or
vertical milling machine could also be used?

[PeteVS]

Years ago, I bought a "drag link socket" from Sears. (Remember them?) It's a hefty flat screw driver blade, 1/2" drive. I use it with my impact screwdriver. I also use it for the trans shifter detent spring caps.

[ndnchf]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

That little gizmo you made to remove the pole shoe screws is really slick. I bet a drill press or milling machine could also be used?

A milling machine - sure. A drill press would probably work if its a good heavy duty one.


One thing I didn't show in the video is this tailpipe expander tool. It works perfectly for seating the fields and pole shoes tightly inside the case before tightening the screws.

Generators and starters can still be found with the original square drive screws. I made a special bit to fit the square drive generator screws. I found an old tap that had a square end that perfectly fit the screw. The end was cut off and welded into a socket. Starters use a similar, but larger square drive.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by ndnchf

A milling machine - sure. A drill press would probably work if its a good heavy duty one.


One thing I didn't show in the video is this tailpipe expander tool. It works perfectly for seating the fields and pole shoes tightly inside the case before tightening the screws.

Generators and starters can still be found with the original square drive screws. I made a special bit to fit the square drive generator screws. I found an old tap that had a square end that perfectly fit the screw. The end was cut off and welded into a socket. Starters use a similar, but larger square drive.

[joe 1950]

Good old American ingenuity got to love it thanks for the tips

[GB SISSON]

Genius! I live for stuff like this. Suddenly the near impossible enters the realm of the 'do it yerselfer'. What other tricks do you have up your sleeve?

[ndnchf]

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

Genius! I live for stuff like this. Suddenly the near impossible enters the realm of the 'do it yerselfer'. What other tricks do you have up your sleeve?

Well, not really tricks, but I do have a lot of youtube videos. Here is one on undercutting the mica on an armature:

https://youtu.be/pn9yTlMLAR4?si=v2HnJbcL5f_y81-F

Not Ford specific, but I have a 9 video series on rebuilding a 1940s era Autolite generator. Much of the work is generic and applies to most generators.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...Mt1HpMpMhiSOsR

[Model51]

There's nothing like the original Ford-issued starters and generators. Ndnchf can show you how it's done.
One of our club members had a starter problem and purchased a brand new starter from on the the major suppliers. It wasn't cheap, just under $300. It worked for a while then just wouldn't. When he took it apart, the lack of quality was readily apparent. It was as if someone copied the parts by eye, not with any specifications so the parts looked good, but there was either too much slop or the parts bound up when they expanded with normal temperature increases. Off-shore junk for sure.