The Ford Barn

Ed Saniewski · 01-22-2011, 03:00 PM

I started to install the new repop window channels in my pick up and they only have a hook at one end of the channel. when I restored my 31 S/W Sedan the channel had connectors on both ends that held it in place. The steel track inside the door has two holes on the bottom and a lip on the top. Has anyone installed a new set lately? Do I glue the channel to the lower part of the track? The kit came with a set of very small screws, do these play a part in the puzzle?

Ed Saniewski · 01-23-2011, 07:27 AM

Bttt

HDowse · 01-23-2011, 08:22 AM

Ed - I'll go out and check my pickup in an hour or so. I redid my window channels so have been through this same problem. Hunt

Neil Wilson · 01-23-2011, 09:13 AM

If runs are glued into place, they can not be slid up and down!

For the 82-A closed cab, the door glass runs must be installed with an upper and lower clip. The runs must be able to slide up and down. To install the glass, the runs must be slid up to unhook the upper clip to allow the runs to be tilted inward. The glass can then be lowered into the runs and lowered about half way down. The runs are then hooked at the top and slid down (with the glass installed). The procedure is unique to the 82-A since other doors have removable tops. So, the runs don't need to move.

The new square bottom "U" runs I bought were too wide to slide in the metal retainers. I had to clamp the runs (used a 1/4" thick metal strap and vice) to make them smaller (made them a rounded "U" shape).

HDowse · 01-23-2011, 09:43 AM

In looking at my '28 CC P/U just now, the tops of the doors are removable and I recall that I did remove the tops, ran the window glass up and removed the glass from the door. This requires removing the window crank handle and escutcheon plate as well as the door panel, none of which are particularly complicated tasks. I see that the channels are clipped on the top and screwed with a small screw mid way down. Since the window is in the channel, I can't tell if I used a screw at the bottom of the channel. I did not glue in the channels but did use contact cement on the rubber at the top of the window.

wrndln · 01-23-2011, 12:29 PM

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I was pretty sure that the top of the door on a 28/29 CCPU is NOT removable like closed cars are. I thought the inside metal trim was removed to gain access to installing the felt window channels and glass, like Neil noted above. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I haven't looked at my 29 CCPU lately, as it is patiently waiting to be restored and is currently under a tarp.
Rusty Nelson

Ed Saniewski · 01-24-2011, 07:51 AM

Guys, thank you so much. The top of the door on my 82-A dose not come off and the channel only has one clip. I think I will have to do HDowse did an clip the bottom of the track and use the small sheet metal screws to fasten the channel up high. Neil, did you make those pictures up or is there a book with that info? It is 1 degree Fahrenheit this morning here in Denville NJ, and I am off to work ,but I will be out in the barn this afternoon and look again at the doors. By the way, did anyone come up with an easy way to replace the bottom bumpers, other then drilling out the rivits that hold the bracket, Hmmmmmm? Thanks again.

Neil Wilson · 01-24-2011, 09:46 AM

Hello Ed,
I took the pictures I posted. They are of my 82-A project. If you can't find the lower clips, then using a screw to hold the runs sounds like it will work. I had not thought of that option. The screws would need to be removed if ever the glass needs to be removed. I think that gluing the runs is a bad idea.

I glued the rubber bumper to the brackets inside of the door. I used the glue which came with the set of runs. I used a "C" style vice grip to clamp the bumpers while the glue was drying. Time will determine if this was a good idea.

FYI - Attached is a picture showing an original door glass channel assembly with the weather strip installed.

Steve Plucker · 01-24-2011, 10:40 AM

Were not the original channels made of rubber (and not with steel reenforcements), then the cloth sewed onto the rubber including the two "round" tubes on either side of the cloth, then the clips added so as when the channel was put into the door, all one had to do was just "pull" the rubber chanel to lock it in place?

OR were there two types of these channels?

Pluck

Ed Saniewski · 01-24-2011, 04:29 PM

Steve, I think you are probably correct , but I don't think anyone is making it that way. The kit I got was from Bratton's. I went out to the barn and it looks like I will be able to clip the lower end of the channel and secure the top with screws.My 160-B had the channels you describe. Neil, thanks again for the help. Your photos are great.

Steve Plucker · 01-24-2011, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Saniewski

Steve, I think you are probably correct , but I don't think anyone is making it that way. The kit I got was from Bratton's. I went out to the barn and it looks like I will be able to clip the lower end of the channel and secure the top with screws.My 160-B had the channels you describe. Neil, thanks again for the help. Your photos are great.

Ed,

I made my own...just followed the original one I had, found the rubber channel, tubing, black cloth and had them sewen up just like the originals.

It was a snap to put them in!

Pluck

JTW · 01-24-2011, 10:34 PM

Pictures & rubber channel - tubing source?

Steve Plucker · 01-24-2011, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTW

Pictures & rubber channel - tubing source?

I got the material in 1980 from a company called WEFCO Rubber Manufacturing Company in Santa Monica, CA.

I do not know if they are still in business or not.

Bratton's has the window channel clips but they look nothing like the originals but look like they will do.

The black felt is of good quality, not thin cheap stuff but a thick material.

The total width of the material is 2-1/4 inches before the sewing of the beading to the material.

I have two types of "beading"...one is hollow rubber, the other a rope type material. Both about 0.170 inch in diameter.

The beading is sewed into the felt material so as to have a 1/2 inch fold on both sides of the felt. When both sides are sewn, the width is then 1-1/4 inch for the assembly.

The felt then is placed into a rubber channel EVENLY. This channel is 9/16 inch wide and 1/4 inch high on the OUTSIDE measurements. The INSIDE measurements of the rubber channel are just a little under 7/16 inch wide but not by much. The height is 3/16 inch. If I recall, I had to get some that was slightly oversized or as close to the original as possible which worked fine.

NOW...you can place the felt assembly into the rubber channel two ways. The correct way is that the two sides are folded towards each other and the end of the folds are "seen" when sewed within the channel...if that makes any sence.

Once the material is placed into the rubber channel EVENLY, it is sewed down the right side, then down the left side of the rubber channel, about an 1/8 inch on both sides from the outer edge on the back of the rubber channel.

The metal clips were then attached with two tube rivets each end.

I can not remember what the original length of each completed channel is...I would think the archives could answer that question OR maybe someone has an original channel and can add to this.

I would think you would want to make them just a little short, not much though, so as when they are attached to the door, they pull up nice and tight but the archival drawings should be more exact.

The complete assembly were refered to as "Runs". I think there may have been several types...This is what I got out of my 1929 Standard Coupe and a Special Coupe and a Tudor Sedan which is represented by A-45983-C.

The Closed Cab, "A" and "AA" Panel Bodies took A-79945-B...just how they differ I do not know. HOWEVER...was not the glass in the Closed Cabs and Panels somewhat thicker than the Coupes? I think it was therefore the "Run Assembly" may be different in size. The Closed Cab's is the same as T-50793-X which ='s A-79945-B.

By the way...in reviewing the November 15, 1929 and August 15, 1930 Body Parts List's, it shows us that there were 20 different types of "Run Assemblies" available for all the body styles up to that point...I wonder just how they all differed and just what was available later also for the other body styles yet to appear?

Maybe it is about time for a Technical Article on these "Runs"!

Pluck

Neil Wilson · 01-25-2011, 12:24 AM

The Judging Standards lists about four different door glass "runs". I have only see one style. Attached is a picture of a section.

I searched for Wefco Rubber Manfacturing Co and got a hit on the Internet. So, I hope that they still have the rubber channel. I am very disappointed with the runs that are being sold since they don't look much like original.

Steve, how about posting some pictures of the runs that you made?

Steve Plucker · 01-25-2011, 12:56 AM

[QUOTE=Neil Wilson;148872]The Judging Standards lists about four different door glass "runs". I have only see one style. Attached is a picture of a section.

I searched for Wefco Rubber Manfacturing Co and got a hit on the Internet. So, I hope that they still have the rubber channel. I am very disappointed with the runs that are being sold since they don't look much like original.

Steve, how about posting some pictures of the runs that you made?[/QUOTE]

Neil, I would but they have been in my 1929 Standard Coupe since 1983!

Pluck

RockHillWill · 01-25-2011, 07:07 AM

I made up a number of these widow felt channels for my Panel Delivery project. The archive drawings show that the rubber .500" to .530 wide and .312" tall. Up until early '29 the inside was rubber tube at which time it went to the 'rope' insert. If I recall correctly the overall height was shown on at least 12 variations of the drawing as 5/8".

I went to a lot of trouble to gather up all the pieces and make these and they worked great on my Dec.'30 Panel Delivery, (2) '31 Pick up trucks and (2) Tudors. The steel door channels were 5/8" wide and about 5/16" high.

But when trying to apply to a '28 pickup cab, thes channels made the widow glass very tight. In looking into the problem, it was noted that the steel channel inside the door was almost 1/2" tall, rather than the 5/16" tall.

Can anyone explain when this change in steel channel heights might have incurred? For what applications?

I must have looked at over (30) drawings at the archives and only found the dimensions that I showed above.wd41 007sm.jpg

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Neil Wilson · 01-25-2011, 09:34 AM

RockHillWill,
Attached is a picture of a run (repo) and a "run retainer" (Ford's parts list names). The run retainer is for an 82-A closed cab. Is this the part which you reference? If yes, I will try to measure the retainer depth on my early '30 closed cab.

Original runs that I have seen for '28/'29's (closed cab and tudor) have had the cord. Also, the material is a cloth and not felt. Was there anything in the engineering drawings that you looked at which specified the material?

Neil Wilson · 01-25-2011, 09:36 AM

Sorry, I forgot the photograph

Steve Plucker · 01-25-2011, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

RockHillWill,
Attached is a picture of a run (repo) and a "run retainer" (Ford's parts list names). The run retainer is for an 82-A closed cab. Is this the part which you reference? If yes, I will try to measure the retainer depth on my early '30 closed cab.

Original runs that I have seen for '28/'29's (closed cab and tudor) have had the cord. Also, the material is a cloth and not felt. Was there anything in the engineering drawings that you looked at which specified the material?

You are right Neil...it is a cloth not felt "cloth".

Pluck

d.j. moordigian · 01-25-2011, 11:45 AM

This is EXCELLENT !

Part #'s and more photos would be great. I don't have any idea what this stuff looks
like or how it works. Looking down the road at my 28 PU.

Thank you, Dudley

Dan Partain · 01-25-2011, 01:22 PM

Neil, thanks for the excellent photos, they're very helpful.

Do you have a close up photo of the end of an orginal run that shows the rubber and cloth sewn together?

RockHillWill · 01-25-2011, 02:44 PM

Neil, I would be most appreciative if you would be so kind as to measure that for me please. I have (11) Panel Delivery doors and (4) of them had the window rub like I made for my use. They all had the 5/8 x 5/16 stamped steel 'retainer' that was the same size as both my pickups and both of the Tudors. I asked for samples from Marco and Bill Sturm as well as others and EVERY photo and sample that I received were like what was in my vehicles, so I looked no further than to substantiate what I needed for my December '30 Panel Delivery.

The retainers in all my 'stuff' was a 'C' shaped stamping. Your photos seem to indicate a flanged stamping of some sort. I only seem to work on the '30 and '31 'stuff', so I am not very knowledgeable regarding '28-'29 cars, etc.

After I made a sample of my window channel, I submitted to some of those that were kind enough to provide samples and each of them asked to acquire some for themselves if I had any additional pieces left over.

Here is a picture that Marco sent me and it looks exactly like what I found in my own 'stuff''.

Then a friend with a '28 pickup cab tried them and it made the window hard to raise and lower. We found two things. I made my channels to fit original thickness glass (he was using thicker repro replacement glass) and his steel 'recepticles' were 5/8" wide but much taller.

When looking thru the archive (I used only the drawing dates, not Engineering releases) to notice that the rubber inserts faded out in early '29. I tried to use the rope inserts, but in trying to sew them in place they left a more warped and twisted edge over the length of the window.

I am very happy with what I made for my '30 and '32 'stuff', but lack a great deal of knowledge regarding the earlier 'stuff'.

I clearly see that yours looks to have a non-felt cover, but I would not bet my lunch money that it was that way for the duration of production. I did have the 'M' number for that material, but can't find it at this time.

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Dan Partain · 01-25-2011, 03:07 PM

It's probably important to keep in mind that the doors on the 28-29 CC A/AA are really Model T and not Model A. Maybe the T parts suppliers have a run that is closer to original. My guess is that 'all' of the suppliers are just using what they find is available from wholesalers, unless they are having it made themselves.

RockHillWill · 01-25-2011, 04:59 PM

Wow! Dan that piece of information explains a lot to resolve the issues that I have been having - THANKS!

Neil: Here is the information that I was refering to in an earlier post. The rubber channel varied from 9/16" to 19/32", the height of the rubber channel varied from 9/32" to 5/16". The height of the rubber channel remained constant at 9/16". It was specified to have a tensile strength of 500 pounds.

The rubber tube that was inside was constant at 13/64" outside diameter. In March '28 the ID was reduced to 7/64". In November of '29 the stitching that sewed in the rubber tube to the rubber channel was changed from4-1/2 stitches to 8 stitches per inch.

This information came from the engineering releases that covered the Tudor, (Pickup), Fordor, Coupe, C-Coupe, Business Coupe, Delux Delivery, Special Coupe and Taxi.

Regarding the material that surrounds the rubber tubing, it is specified on the drawing as M-5013. I am unfamiliar with 'M' numbers, so I contacted Howard and Gretchen Minters who are revising the standards to include some of this information relative to the upholstery (along with Marco and Bill Sturm). They recently came back from a trip to George DeAngelis' home where he shared some of the information that has not found its way to the archives as of this time and he presented them with an ORIGINAL sample of cloth attached to the spec sheet for M-5013.

I just got off the phone with Howard and he mentioned that it has the feel, look and consistancy of felt!

Understand that my searching was for my '30 Panel Delivery. It is probably also correct to assume that all this was not made at the same place, or at the same time, but I am comfortable that I followed correct information when I made my window channel runs.

Iam still very interested in the measurements if you would be so kind as to that.

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Steve Plucker · 01-25-2011, 05:08 PM

I am perty sure it is felt also...as I said above.

Pluck

wgb503 · 09-22-2011, 09:37 AM

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Hi guys, not trying to hi jack the thread but was wondering where I could purchase the door glass channel weather strip # A-79933 as shown in Neil's picture in post # 8. Thanks Gary

rickmass · 02-19-2012, 07:17 PM

Hi guy,s I know it has been beat to death,but I,am still haveing ,got it yet.I only have one hook on channel replacemet do I glue or srew them in are they side with the widow,The pictures help a lot,could some one send more info.Rickmass

Vanspeed · 02-19-2012, 07:35 PM

I have a bag of clips that came with mine and alot of rivets, my kit is 20 plus years old so maybe they stopped offering the other clips? I have alot of spares if you need some to put on yourself.

rickmass · 02-19-2012, 07:42 PM

Thank,s Vanspeed I am all set,I just don,t know how install the track,s Rickmass

Tom Wesenberg · 02-20-2012, 12:10 AM

I like to buy the track with the hooks already installed on both ends, I hook the top and usually have to bend the bottom some to get it hooked, then bend it back again.

I haven't done a window channel for about 5 years, so I don't know how the current kits are.

Neil Wilson · 02-20-2012, 02:03 PM

This is a response to RockHillWill's reply of 1/25/11 (I am a year late in responding).

I measured the door glass run-retainer (a flat bottom "U" shape with curved flanges) for the 82-A closed cab. It is .600 wide (about 19/32) and approximately .250 from the bottom of the trough to where the curved flanges start.

caserider · 10-08-2012, 01:00 PM

Sorry to revive 'old' topics...

Can anyone point to a source for the rubber U-channel? Checked the WEFCO webpage and couldn't find it in their online literature. Sent them an email and waiting to hear back...

Would love to go to Hershey and see what's available, but it's a long drive from ND!

Thanks
C.R. (in ND)

01-22-2011, 03:00 PM	#1
Ed Saniewski Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 964	29 CCPU window channel install I started to install the new repop window channels in my pick up and they only have a hook at one end of the channel. when I restored my 31 S/W Sedan the channel had connectors on both ends that held it in place. The steel track inside the door has two holes on the bottom and a lip on the top. Has anyone installed a new set lately? Do I glue the channel to the lower part of the track? The kit came with a set of very small screws, do these play a part in the puzzle? __________________ Model A Ford Club of New Jersey http://www.mafcnj.org Model A Pick Up Owners and Enthusiasts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=5

01-23-2011, 07:27 AM	#2
Ed Saniewski Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 964	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Bttt __________________ Model A Ford Club of New Jersey http://www.mafcnj.org Model A Pick Up Owners and Enthusiasts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=5

01-23-2011, 08:22 AM	#3
HDowse Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hancock, New Hampshire Posts: 375	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Ed - I'll go out and check my pickup in an hour or so. I redid my window channels so have been through this same problem. Hunt

01-23-2011, 09:43 AM	#5
HDowse Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hancock, New Hampshire Posts: 375	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install In looking at my '28 CC P/U just now, the tops of the doors are removable and I recall that I did remove the tops, ran the window glass up and removed the glass from the door. This requires removing the window crank handle and escutcheon plate as well as the door panel, none of which are particularly complicated tasks. I see that the channels are clipped on the top and screwed with a small screw mid way down. Since the window is in the channel, I can't tell if I used a screw at the bottom of the channel. I did not glue in the channels but did use contact cement on the rubber at the top of the window.

01-23-2011, 12:29 PM	#6
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,174	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I was pretty sure that the top of the door on a 28/29 CCPU is NOT removable like closed cars are. I thought the inside metal trim was removed to gain access to installing the felt window channels and glass, like Neil noted above. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I haven't looked at my 29 CCPU lately, as it is patiently waiting to be restored and is currently under a tarp. Rusty Nelson

01-24-2011, 07:51 AM	#7
Ed Saniewski Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 964	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Guys, thank you so much. The top of the door on my 82-A dose not come off and the channel only has one clip. I think I will have to do HDowse did an clip the bottom of the track and use the small sheet metal screws to fasten the channel up high. Neil, did you make those pictures up or is there a book with that info? It is 1 degree Fahrenheit this morning here in Denville NJ, and I am off to work ,but I will be out in the barn this afternoon and look again at the doors. By the way, did anyone come up with an easy way to replace the bottom bumpers, other then drilling out the rivits that hold the bracket, Hmmmmmm? Thanks again. __________________ Model A Ford Club of New Jersey http://www.mafcnj.org Model A Pick Up Owners and Enthusiasts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=5

01-24-2011, 10:40 AM	#9
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Were not the original channels made of rubber (and not with steel reenforcements), then the cloth sewed onto the rubber including the two "round" tubes on either side of the cloth, then the clips added so as when the channel was put into the door, all one had to do was just "pull" the rubber chanel to lock it in place? OR were there two types of these channels? Pluck

01-24-2011, 04:29 PM	#10
Ed Saniewski Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denville NJ Posts: 964	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Steve, I think you are probably correct , but I don't think anyone is making it that way. The kit I got was from Bratton's. I went out to the barn and it looks like I will be able to clip the lower end of the channel and secure the top with screws.My 160-B had the channels you describe. Neil, thanks again for the help. Your photos are great. __________________ Model A Ford Club of New Jersey http://www.mafcnj.org Model A Pick Up Owners and Enthusiasts https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=5

01-24-2011, 10:34 PM	#12
JTW Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Owls Head Posts: 257	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Pictures & rubber channel - tubing source? __________________ Driving old Fords since 1947

01-25-2011, 12:56 AM	#15
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install [QUOTE=Neil Wilson;148872]The Judging Standards lists about four different door glass "runs". I have only see one style. Attached is a picture of a section. I searched for Wefco Rubber Manfacturing Co and got a hit on the Internet. So, I hope that they still have the rubber channel. I am very disappointed with the runs that are being sold since they don't look much like original. *Steve, how about posting some pictures of the runs that you made?[/*QUOTE] Neil, I would but they have been in my 1929 Standard Coupe since 1983! Pluck

01-25-2011, 07:07 AM	#16
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install I made up a number of these widow felt channels for my Panel Delivery project. The archive drawings show that the rubber .500" to .530 wide and .312" tall. Up until early '29 the inside was rubber tube at which time it went to the 'rope' insert. If I recall correctly the overall height was shown on at least 12 variations of the drawing as 5/8". I went to a lot of trouble to gather up all the pieces and make these and they worked great on my Dec.'30 Panel Delivery, (2) '31 Pick up trucks and (2) Tudors. The steel door channels were 5/8" wide and about 5/16" high. But when trying to apply to a '28 pickup cab, thes channels made the widow glass very tight. In looking into the problem, it was noted that the steel channel inside the door was almost 1/2" tall, rather than the 5/16" tall. Can anyone explain when this change in steel channel heights might have incurred? For what applications? I must have looked at over (30) drawings at the archives and only found the dimensions that I showed above.wd41 007sm.jpg wd41 006sm.jpg __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

01-25-2011, 09:34 AM	#17
Neil Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 559	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install RockHillWill, Attached is a picture of a run (repo) and a "run retainer" (Ford's parts list names). The run retainer is for an 82-A closed cab. Is this the part which you reference? If yes, I will try to measure the retainer depth on my early '30 closed cab. Original runs that I have seen for '28/'29's (closed cab and tudor) have had the cord. Also, the material is a cloth and not felt. Was there anything in the engineering drawings that you looked at which specified the material?

01-25-2011, 11:45 AM	#20
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install This is EXCELLENT ! Part #'s and more photos would be great. I don't have any idea what this stuff looks like or how it works. Looking down the road at my 28 PU. Thank you, Dudley

01-25-2011, 01:22 PM	#21
Dan Partain Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hangtown, CA Posts: 556	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Neil, thanks for the excellent photos, they're very helpful. Do you have a close up photo of the end of an orginal run that shows the rubber and cloth sewn together?

01-25-2011, 02:44 PM	#22
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Neil, I would be most appreciative if you would be so kind as to measure that for me please. I have (11) Panel Delivery doors and (4) of them had the window rub like I made for my use. They all had the 5/8 x 5/16 stamped steel 'retainer' that was the same size as both my pickups and both of the Tudors. I asked for samples from Marco and Bill Sturm as well as others and EVERY photo and sample that I received were like what was in my vehicles, so I looked no further than to substantiate what I needed for my December '30 Panel Delivery. The retainers in all my 'stuff' was a 'C' shaped stamping. Your photos seem to indicate a flanged stamping of some sort. I only seem to work on the '30 and '31 'stuff', so I am not very knowledgeable regarding '28-'29 cars, etc. After I made a sample of my window channel, I submitted to some of those that were kind enough to provide samples and each of them asked to acquire some for themselves if I had any additional pieces left over. Here is a picture that Marco sent me and it looks exactly like what I found in my own 'stuff''. Then a friend with a '28 pickup cab tried them and it made the window hard to raise and lower. We found two things. I made my channels to fit original thickness glass (he was using thicker repro replacement glass) and his steel 'recepticles' were 5/8" wide but much taller. When looking thru the archive (I used only the drawing dates, not Engineering releases) to notice that the rubber inserts faded out in early '29. I tried to use the rope inserts, but in trying to sew them in place they left a more warped and twisted edge over the length of the window. I am very happy with what I made for my '30 and '32 'stuff', but lack a great deal of knowledge regarding the earlier 'stuff'. I clearly see that yours looks to have a non-felt cover, but I would not bet my lunch money that it was that way for the duration of production. I did have the 'M' number for that material, but can't find it at this time. WindowRunSM.jpg wd41 007sm.jpg __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

01-25-2011, 03:07 PM	#23
Dan Partain Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hangtown, CA Posts: 556	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install It's probably important to keep in mind that the doors on the 28-29 CC A/AA are really Model T and not Model A. Maybe the T parts suppliers have a run that is closer to original. My guess is that 'all' of the suppliers are just using what they find is available from wholesalers, unless they are having it made themselves.

01-25-2011, 04:59 PM	#24
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Wow! Dan that piece of information explains a lot to resolve the issues that I have been having - THANKS! Neil: Here is the information that I was refering to in an earlier post. The rubber channel varied from 9/16" to 19/32", the height of the rubber channel varied from 9/32" to 5/16". The height of the rubber channel remained constant at 9/16". It was specified to have a tensile strength of 500 pounds. The rubber tube that was inside was constant at 13/64" outside diameter. In March '28 the ID was reduced to 7/64". In November of '29 the stitching that sewed in the rubber tube to the rubber channel was changed from4-1/2 stitches to 8 stitches per inch. This information came from the engineering releases that covered the Tudor, (Pickup), Fordor, Coupe, C-Coupe, Business Coupe, Delux Delivery, Special Coupe and Taxi. Regarding the material that surrounds the rubber tubing, it is specified on the drawing as M-5013. I am unfamiliar with 'M' numbers, so I contacted Howard and Gretchen Minters who are revising the standards to include some of this information relative to the upholstery (along with Marco and Bill Sturm). They recently came back from a trip to George DeAngelis' home where he shared some of the information that has not found its way to the archives as of this time and he presented them with an ORIGINAL sample of cloth attached to the spec sheet for M-5013. I just got off the phone with Howard and he mentioned that it has the feel, look and consistancy of felt! Understand that my searching was for my '30 Panel Delivery. It is probably also correct to assume that all this was not made at the same place, or at the same time, but I am comfortable that I followed correct information when I made my window channel runs. Iam still very interested in the measurements if you would be so kind as to that. we04 021sm.jpg __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

01-25-2011, 05:08 PM	#25
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install I am perty sure it is felt also...as I said above. Pluck

09-22-2011, 09:37 AM	#26
wgb503 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Hi guys, not trying to hi jack the thread but was wondering where I could purchase the door glass channel weather strip # A-79933 as shown in Neil's picture in post # 8. Thanks Gary

02-19-2012, 07:17 PM	#27
rickmass Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: mass. Posts: 123	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Hi guy,s I know it has been beat to death,but I,am still haveing ,got it yet.I only have one hook on channel replacemet do I glue or srew them in are they side with the widow,The pictures help a lot,could some one send more info.Rickmass

02-19-2012, 07:35 PM	#28
Vanspeed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suttons Bay, Mich. Posts: 3,392	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install I have a bag of clips that came with mine and alot of rivets, my kit is 20 plus years old so maybe they stopped offering the other clips? I have alot of spares if you need some to put on yourself. __________________ *Respecting and Resurrecting Ford Model A's.*

02-19-2012, 07:42 PM	#29
rickmass Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: mass. Posts: 123	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Thank,s Vanspeed I am all set,I just don,t know how install the track,s Rickmass

02-20-2012, 12:10 AM	#30
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install I like to buy the track with the hooks already installed on both ends, I hook the top and usually have to bend the bottom some to get it hooked, then bend it back again. I haven't done a window channel for about 5 years, so I don't know how the current kits are.

10-08-2012, 01:00 PM	#32
caserider Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 27	Re: 29 CCPU window channel install Sorry to revive 'old' topics... Can anyone point to a source for the rubber U-channel? Checked the WEFCO webpage and couldn't find it in their online literature. Sent them an email and waiting to hear back... Would love to go to Hershey and see what's available, but it's a long drive from ND! Thanks C.R. (in ND)