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WHITEY · 06-04-2010, 10:37 AM

I was lucky enough to get an EARLY 1932 frame in a trade a while back and it dosent have a VIN #. I ve checked the known 3 places. Thanks to some very knowledgeable ford guys, we were able to i.d. it as early, and get a good bit of the history on early ford frames. I am a bit curious as to why there are no numbers.I dont see a reason to, NOT stamp a frame...intending to use them as replacements, for a frame they were NOT sure of and was NOT proven.....so I rulled out an early dealer replacement part....

Mr 42 · 06-04-2010, 12:12 PM

was the early 32 frame stamped with a Vin number at all??
I guess its an early frame

Henry put the first Vin on the gearbbox.....

Andy · 06-04-2010, 12:27 PM

Pre- production prototype? Sure is an early one. How about some pics of the front crossmember? Is it a V8 or B frame? Different front crossmembers. Care to share the history that you know? I would have loved to see the body.

Harms Way · 06-04-2010, 03:10 PM

My Brother once owned a NOS 1932 Ford frame,.... It came from a old dealership in North Dakota,..... It was of course a replacement frame,.. and it had no numbers anywhere.

just 32 · 06-04-2010, 05:14 PM

I have this same type frame under my early fordor. My fordor was a one owner car with 34,000 original miles when I purchased it in Maine back in 2008. I have researched this in Dave Rehor's book and spoken with him to learn this was a short design run during the last 2 weeks of March 1932. The matching serial numbers (frame & trans) on this fordor are only 3 digits (*18-949*) which confirm this as "super early" by the book. I suggest Dave's books for all interested in the history of the "32".
Glenn

WHITEY · 06-04-2010, 05:40 PM

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Andy, It dosent make sense that it would be a NON- numbered EARLY dealership replacement,so Im guessing that some EARLY frames were just not stamped, or a protype. It came from Nova scotia, so Im curious as to whether or not frames were produced at Walkerville.The books say production around late march early april.

WHITEY · 06-04-2010, 05:52 PM

Thank you just 32, this is the info I was hoping someone would come up with, I am reading the David Rehor books right now. There is just so much info out there from guys like yourself who own the cars and have studied, and researched them. The Maine connection to Nova Scotia is a little coincendental, maybe not. So your frame is under the 1000 #...that is early

WHITEY · 06-04-2010, 06:12 PM

So somewhere between (*18-2*) and (*18-949*) Ford changed from the transmission Cross member(straight across ) to the K-member with legs and built in pedal shaft. Does anyone know how far into the production the cross member frame lasted, and the VIN. I figure my frame would have been produced between the last of those and frame(*18-949*)

Walt Dupont--Me. · 06-04-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by just 32

I have this same type frame under my early fordor. My fordor was a one owner car with 34,000 original miles when I purchased it in Maine back in 2008. I have researched this in Dave Rehor's book and spoken with him to learn this was a short design run during the last 2 weeks of March 1932. The matching serial numbers (frame & trans) on this fordor are only 3 digits (*18-949*) which confirm this as "super early" by the book. I suggest Dave's books for all interested in the history of the "32".
Glenn

just32 Glenn, I rebuilt the engine out of that (18-949) car. If you want to e-mail me or call (207-582-0703) I'll tell ypu all about it. Walt

Steve/IL · 06-04-2010, 11:25 PM

It appears that the brake/clutch pedal bracket is rivited to the K member. If so, it's an early frame. Ford made numerous frame changes in 32. Was this frame under a car or does it show evidence of a body or parts ever being bolted on? With no VIN in the usual places, it is likely a replacement frame. Even if it was under a car, it could still be a replacement that someone simply never stamped the original VINs.

WHITEY · 06-05-2010, 04:52 AM

After reading more about all the changes in 32, Im guessing anything was possible. Im just not sure Ford would have made early replacement frames and sent them to dealships, all during a 2 month period that they were planning on changing the design. Im thinking it would have been a better buisness decision to change the existing frames and used them for production. Did Ford think to make an early replacement frame, send them to dealerships to back up the early cars, or would they have just said "recall" and modified the frame with the bolt in pedals.

Harms Way · 06-05-2010, 06:14 PM

1932 was a short production run with a lot of in year changes,....Yes it might be a prototype frame,... or any other number of possibilities,... But like I said, the NOS Frame My Brother had still had the original parts tag on it,.. (Wish we would have kept it !),.. and it had no numbers anywhere .

It had no inner support panel in the kick up areas, But it's been so long ago, thats about the biggest detail I can remember,.... If Ford was pumping parts out, for repair to Ford Dealers all over the country,.. I would stand to reason, that it might include replacement frames, Even if it were only a dozen or so per state. (IMHO)

Ray Parson · 06-05-2010, 06:29 PM

i have a 32 frame with the rear support panel on the outside not the inside i have had many 32 frames never one like this it was under the 32 pickup i have from California how many are like this

Kahuna · 06-05-2010, 09:11 PM

I have frame numbered B1683

decker · 06-08-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Harms Way

I wonder what that pile of frames is worth?

Andy · 06-08-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kahuna

I have frame numbered B1683

That number does not fit into the sequence of numbers used. Is it a real number? AB 5,000,000 and on for B,s and 18-1 and on for V8's

SUHRsc · 06-09-2010, 05:29 AM

In regards to the braces added to the later '32 frames....

Bruce Lancaster · 06-09-2010, 09:59 AM

On replacement frames...none could have had numbers, because the number was stamped on the assembly line to match the engine/trans unit being installed. The car's master serial number was the one on the power unit and the frame numbers were backups. Frames assembled into cars at factory should all have numbers, including Canadian ones, as far as I know...Canadian A's did not get frame numbers.
After all this time, who can say on this thing. With all the early '32 troubles, the stamping guy could have been busy helping wrestle some mis-drilled part into place or scratching or sneezing...I doubt that anyone was available to notice minor problems with all the major problems they had!
Suhr...REPRO Service Bulletins?? Are your standards slipping?

SUHRsc · 06-09-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

Suhr...REPRO Service Bulletins?? Are your standards slipping?

No, my wallet is

jambottle · 06-09-2010, 07:50 PM

this is funny for me Whitey,i thought i was looking in the wrong location for frame #`s. i looked everywhere on that frame i traded you for #`s.Maybe Mel can come on here and let us know if there were any #`s on the 32 roadster i sold him.If i remember correctly,i could not find #`s on that frame either.I have another 32 frame here with no #`s on it either.I called a friend that i sold a 32 roadster to years ago and he says that his has numbers.My best guess is that since ford of canada did not stamp the modle A frames;it took them a while into the 32 production before they started stamping the 32 frames..all canadian 32 stamped frames start with a "C".Chris

Richard (EV8G) · 06-10-2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray Parson

i have a 32 frame with the rear support panel on the outside not the inside i have had many 32 frames never one like this it was under the 32 pickup i have from California how many are like this

I have heard of this before, but have not ever seen one personally. I have seen 32 frames that had broken clear through at the rear kickup and had "fish plates" added to the outside. I would suspect that Ford or more likely an after-market supplier? may have made retrofit external plates that could be installed without taking the vehicle apart ("Band Aid") but have not ever seen anything in print. The Service Bulletin is clearly regarding the factory change to add the second channel on the INSIDE, which also requires a shorter rear cross-member. The Bulletin states that they are welded in place, but I think they were riveted in with the cross-member? (Ford did not weld anything else on a 32 frame?)

barryfromvictoria · 06-10-2010, 03:21 AM

I have never seen a Canadian frame with the numbers stamped in 3 places. Some frames are barely readable especially if they are rusted bad. Most were lightly stamped. As they didn`t use any backing when stamping, [like hitting a spring], it would make it difficult to get a deep stamp. I`ve used acid to bring out some no`s with about 75% success.

WHITEY · 06-10-2010, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

On replacement frames...none could have had numbers, because the number was stamped on the assembly line to match the engine/trans unit being installed. The car's master serial number was the one on the power unit and the frame numbers were backups. Frames assembled into cars at factory should all have numbers, including Canadian ones, as far as I know...Canadian A's did not get frame numbers.
After all this time, who can say on this thing. With all the early '32 troubles, the stamping guy could have been busy helping wrestle some mis-drilled part into place or scratching or sneezing...I doubt that anyone was available to notice minor problems with all the major problems they had!
Suhr...REPRO Service Bulletins?? Are your standards slipping?

Thanks Bruce your knowledge is invalueable, seems were are getting to the bottom of the story.

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Originally Posted by SUHRsc

No, my wallet is

Well that website turned out very nice Zach, did you guys build it, if not looks like a good use of the wallet.

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Originally Posted by jambottle

this is funny for me Whitey,i thought i was looking in the wrong location for frame #`s. i looked everywhere on that frame i traded you for #`s.Maybe Mel can come on here and let us know if there were any #`s on the 32 roadster i sold him.If i remember correctly,i could not find #`s on that frame either.I have another 32 frame here with no #`s on it either.I called a friend that i sold a 32 roadster to years ago and he says that his has numbers.My best guess is that since ford of canada did not stamp the modle A frames;it took them a while into the 32 production before they started stamping the 32 frames..all canadian 32 stamped frames start with a "C".Chris

Chris its been awhile, good to talk with you man,how have you been.Really neat you chimed in here, I did not know till Bruces post that the modle A frames were not stamped, SO that makes sense that the 32 C frames did not get stamped or started late.

Good stuff thank you guys.

Stefan

WHITEY · 06-10-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard (EV8G)

I have heard of this before, but have not ever seen one personally. I have seen 32 frames that had broken clear through at the rear kickup and had "fish plates" added to the outside. I would suspect that Ford or more likely an after-market supplier? may have made retrofit external plates that could be installed without taking the vehicle apart ("Band Aid") but have not ever seen anything in print. The Service Bulletin is clearly regarding the factory change to add the second channel on the INSIDE, which also requires a shorter rear cross-member. The Bulletin states that they are welded in place, but I think they were riveted in with the cross-member? (Ford did not weld anything else on a 32 frame?)

Richard, thanks for the plate info...with so many recalls, its almost as if the service guys were building the cars a second time and NOT just servicing...

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Originally Posted by barryfromvictoria

I have never seen a Canadian frame with the numbers stamped in 3 places. Some frames are barely readable especially if they are rusted bad. Most were lightly stamped. As they didn`t use any backing when stamping, [like hitting a spring], it would make it difficult to get a deep stamp. I`ve used acid to bring out some no`s with about 75% success.

Barry, makes sense that this could have had a number and just not be ledgeable at this time...Ive read about the ACID process, BUT am very interested to hear how its done, give it a try....Maybe you should post a TECH...

Thank you

Stefan

Bruce Lancaster · 06-10-2010, 09:42 AM

On the plates...inner ones from factory were just spot-welded, I think just to keep them in the rail until the rivets went in. I would guess that ones installed at dealer were just riveted, and I have seen two frames with that stuff bolted, interesting because all of the bolts had odd tapered heads...could the factory have actually allowed bolted construction and supplied special bolts when early frames were reworked??? Seems odd that 2 had the same oddball bolt heads.
I have a fairly early pickup frame, also bolted back there, with formed EXTERNAL platyes at kick-up area and early crossmember/no reinforcements inside. The external plates are fully formed channel fitting over the frame perfectly, so I think most likely factory made. Don't know serials...one frame was in a friend's stash, and pickup frame was heavily pitted.

Richard (EV8G) · 06-10-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

On the plates...inner ones from factory were just spot-welded, I think just to keep them in the rail until the rivets went in. I would guess that ones installed at dealer were just riveted, and I have seen two frames with that stuff bolted, interesting because all of the bolts had odd tapered heads...could the factory have actually allowed bolted construction and supplied special bolts when early frames were reworked??? Seems odd that 2 had the same oddball bolt heads.
I have a fairly early pickup frame, also bolted back there, with formed EXTERNAL platyes at kick-up area and early crossmember/no reinforcements inside. The external plates are fully formed channel fitting over the frame perfectly, so I think most likely factory made. Don't know serials...one frame was in a friend's stash, and pickup frame was heavily pitted.

Did you (try to) take one apart??? I was not aware of the spot-welding... If the external formed plates came from Ford, there should be something in the parts books??? There was alot of "aftermarket" stuff made for commercial/trucks, so these external plates were probably some of that?

Bruce Lancaster · 06-10-2010, 11:41 AM

The '32 parts book is near worthless for following changes, and lots more stuff was never mentioned in the Bulletis either. I think everyone was too busy fixing problems to properly document parts changes! If the parts book (I have the common early one and the December one, as well as body, hardware, and a BUNCH of foreign ones) shows one part, and the restoration books tell you about the 5 variants, the next one you find at the fleamarket will be a 6th type. Even the paper varies...the Cole column in V8 times discussed the several different owner's manuals for 18's. I lent my little collection to a friend and he immediately discovered ANOTHER variant.
The inside reinforcement plates seem to have a spotweld on the forward area at least. Never took apart a frame except for one with massive kickup mods, but I assume this was an assembly convenience. Whatever it is, I don't think it was meant to be structural.
On the frames...numerous early variants, probably numerous different fixxit kits for both factory and dealer. Only one variant is really in the bulletins, I believe some others were covered in service letters.
Parts book is pathetic on frame stuff...frame assembly listed is presumably the late one made after several variants, but number has no suffix to indicate that it was developed over time and no earlier parts are shown. Front crossmember has a b suffix, but no clues on the a version, license bracket and 2 lengths or rear crossmember are indicated but nothing else!
And...shock absorber are reinforcement shows an R suffix, meaning replacement part only, so it is maybe just the dealer service piece, rather than the production one??
'32's are really badly served by the parts books!
Whatever the external braces are, they are on a frame with no inside ones...I think the lack of documentation on them is actually meaningless because so much is clearly missing from the book.

just 32 · 07-19-2010, 12:09 AM

Photo of my very early V8 Fordor ( sn# *18-949*) just out of the barn in Maine in 2008.

just 32 · 07-19-2010, 12:46 AM

Photos of the built in pedals with the unusual k-member on my very early V8 fordor.....built during the last 2 weeks of March 1932

WHITEY · 07-25-2010, 07:41 AM

I had a house in Freeport, right up the road from where I think that pick was taken. I remember the sedan being for sale but did NOT
know it to be an early car, just VERY nice that's a great car.

svm99 · 07-26-2010, 09:56 AM

I used a piece of a K-member to repair my frames k-member. The flange is relieved around the battery area and I had not seen another one like it. It just happened to be a piece I acquired. It appears from the pictured frame that the relief in the K-member flange is early. Am I right in this assumption?
Paul J.

32phil · 07-27-2010, 03:01 PM

As I have posted before, I have a Standard V-8 sedan, low mileage ( 48 K ) serial # 18-203120 I believe this to be one of the last 32 Fords built. The crazy part is it too came from Maine ( Skowhegan ? I'm not sure of the spelling ) What are the chances of one of the first and one of the last 32s wound up in Maine ??

06-04-2010, 10:37 AM	#1
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I was lucky enough to get an EARLY 1932 frame in a trade a while back and it dosent have a VIN #. I ve checked the known 3 places. Thanks to some very knowledgeable ford guys, we were able to i.d. it as early, and get a good bit of the history on early ford frames. I am a bit curious as to why there are no numbers.I dont see a reason to, NOT stamp a frame...intending to use them as replacements, for a frame they were NOT sure of and was NOT proven.....so I rulled out an early dealer replacement part.... Last edited by WHITEY; 06-08-2010 at 07:29 PM.

06-04-2010, 12:12 PM	#2
Mr 42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 427	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? was the early 32 frame stamped with a Vin number at all?? I guess its an early frame Henry put the first Vin on the gearbbox.....

06-04-2010, 12:27 PM	#3
Andy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kerrville, Tx Posts: 2,780	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? Pre- production prototype? Sure is an early one. How about some pics of the front crossmember? Is it a V8 or B frame? Different front crossmembers. Care to share the history that you know? I would have loved to see the body.

06-04-2010, 03:10 PM	#4
Harms Way Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Mi. Posts: 295	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? My Brother once owned a NOS 1932 Ford frame,.... It came from a old dealership in North Dakota,..... It was of course a replacement frame,.. and it had no numbers anywhere. __________________ A sinner saved by Grace,......... Eph. 2:8-9

06-04-2010, 05:14 PM	#5
just 32 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 14	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I have this same type frame under my early fordor. My fordor was a one owner car with 34,000 original miles when I purchased it in Maine back in 2008. I have researched this in Dave Rehor's book and spoken with him to learn this was a short design run during the last 2 weeks of March 1932. The matching serial numbers (frame & trans) on this fordor are only 3 digits (18-949) which confirm this as "super early" by the book. I suggest Dave's books for all interested in the history of the "32". Glenn

06-04-2010, 05:40 PM	#6
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Andy, It dosent make sense that it would be a NON- numbered EARLY dealership replacement,so Im guessing that some EARLY frames were just not stamped, or a protype. It came from Nova scotia, so Im curious as to whether or not frames were produced at Walkerville.The books say production around late march early april. Last edited by WHITEY; 06-08-2010 at 07:53 PM.

06-04-2010, 05:52 PM	#7
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? Thank you just 32, this is the info I was hoping someone would come up with, I am reading the David Rehor books right now. There is just so much info out there from guys like yourself who own the cars and have studied, and researched them. The Maine connection to Nova Scotia is a little coincendental, maybe not. So your frame is under the 1000 #...that is early Last edited by WHITEY; 06-08-2010 at 07:42 PM.

06-04-2010, 06:12 PM	#8
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? So somewhere between (18-2) and (18-949) Ford changed from the transmission Cross member(straight across ) to the K-member with legs and built in pedal shaft. Does anyone know how far into the production the cross member frame lasted, and the VIN. I figure my frame would have been produced between the last of those and frame(18-949) Last edited by WHITEY; 06-08-2010 at 07:50 PM.

06-04-2010, 11:25 PM	#10
Steve/IL Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 371	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? It appears that the brake/clutch pedal bracket is rivited to the K member. If so, it's an early frame. Ford made numerous frame changes in 32. Was this frame under a car or does it show evidence of a body or parts ever being bolted on? With no VIN in the usual places, it is likely a replacement frame. Even if it was under a car, it could still be a replacement that someone simply never stamped the original VINs. __________________ I've got the old car disease. Thankfully there's no cure!

06-05-2010, 04:52 AM	#11
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? After reading more about all the changes in 32, Im guessing anything was possible. Im just not sure Ford would have made early replacement frames and sent them to dealships, all during a 2 month period that they were planning on changing the design. Im thinking it would have been a better buisness decision to change the existing frames and used them for production. Did Ford think to make an early replacement frame, send them to dealerships to back up the early cars, or would they have just said "recall" and modified the frame with the bolt in pedals. Last edited by WHITEY; 06-08-2010 at 08:01 PM.

06-05-2010, 06:14 PM	#12
Harms Way Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Mi. Posts: 295	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? 1932 was a short production run with a lot of in year changes,....Yes it might be a prototype frame,... or any other number of possibilities,... But like I said, the NOS Frame My Brother had still had the original parts tag on it,.. (Wish we would have kept it !),.. and it had no numbers anywhere . It had no inner support panel in the kick up areas, But it's been so long ago, thats about the biggest detail I can remember,.... If Ford was pumping parts out, for repair to Ford Dealers all over the country,.. I would stand to reason, that it might include replacement frames, Even if it were only a dozen or so per state. (IMHO) __________________ A sinner saved by Grace,......... Eph. 2:8-9

06-05-2010, 06:29 PM	#13
Ray Parson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Flint MI Posts: 689	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? i have a 32 frame with the rear support panel on the outside not the inside i have had many 32 frames never one like this it was under the 32 pickup i have from California how many are like this

06-05-2010, 09:11 PM	#14
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I have frame numbered B1683

06-09-2010, 05:29 AM	#17
SUHRsc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: near Hershey, PA Posts: 876	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? In regards to the braces added to the later '32 frames.... __________________ -WANTED- Pre-War Speed Equipment Davies or Morrison Intake Manifold 77-6050B, 81AS - 81SB - 99AS - 99SB 19AS cylinder heads

06-09-2010, 09:59 AM	#18
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? On replacement frames...none could have had numbers, because the number was stamped on the assembly line to match the engine/trans unit being installed. The car's master serial number was the one on the power unit and the frame numbers were backups. Frames assembled into cars at factory should all have numbers, including Canadian ones, as far as I know...Canadian A's did not get frame numbers. After all this time, who can say on this thing. With all the early '32 troubles, the stamping guy could have been busy helping wrestle some mis-drilled part into place or scratching or sneezing...I doubt that anyone was available to notice minor problems with all the major problems they had! Suhr...REPRO Service Bulletins?? Are your standards slipping?

06-09-2010, 07:50 PM	#20
jambottle Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: pictou nova scotia Posts: 139	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? this is funny for me Whitey,i thought i was looking in the wrong location for frame #`s. i looked everywhere on that frame i traded you for #`s.Maybe Mel can come on here and let us know if there were any #`s on the 32 roadster i sold him.If i remember correctly,i could not find #`s on that frame either.I have another 32 frame here with no #`s on it either.I called a friend that i sold a 32 roadster to years ago and he says that his has numbers.My best guess is that since ford of canada did not stamp the modle A frames;it took them a while into the 32 production before they started stamping the 32 frames..all canadian 32 stamped frames start with a "C".Chris __________________ my mother always said:you got a champagne taste and a beer pocketbook! Last edited by jambottle; 06-09-2010 at 07:56 PM.

06-10-2010, 03:21 AM	#22
barryfromvictoria Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 220	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I have never seen a Canadian frame with the numbers stamped in 3 places. Some frames are barely readable especially if they are rusted bad. Most were lightly stamped. As they didn`t use any backing when stamping, [like hitting a spring], it would make it difficult to get a deep stamp. I`ve used acid to bring out some no`s with about 75% success.

06-10-2010, 09:42 AM	#25
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? On the plates...inner ones from factory were just spot-welded, I think just to keep them in the rail until the rivets went in. I would guess that ones installed at dealer were just riveted, and I have seen two frames with that stuff bolted, interesting because all of the bolts had odd tapered heads...could the factory have actually allowed bolted construction and supplied special bolts when early frames were reworked??? Seems odd that 2 had the same oddball bolt heads. I have a fairly early pickup frame, also bolted back there, with formed EXTERNAL platyes at kick-up area and early crossmember/no reinforcements inside. The external plates are fully formed channel fitting over the frame perfectly, so I think most likely factory made. Don't know serials...one frame was in a friend's stash, and pickup frame was heavily pitted.

06-10-2010, 11:41 AM	#27
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? The '32 parts book is near worthless for following changes, and lots more stuff was never mentioned in the Bulletis either. I think everyone was too busy fixing problems to properly document parts changes! If the parts book (I have the common early one and the December one, as well as body, hardware, and a BUNCH of foreign ones) shows one part, and the restoration books tell you about the 5 variants, the next one you find at the fleamarket will be a 6th type. Even the paper varies...the Cole column in V8 times discussed the several different owner's manuals for 18's. I lent my little collection to a friend and he immediately discovered ANOTHER variant. The inside reinforcement plates seem to have a spotweld on the forward area at least. Never took apart a frame except for one with massive kickup mods, but I assume this was an assembly convenience. Whatever it is, I don't think it was meant to be structural. On the frames...numerous early variants, probably numerous different fixxit kits for both factory and dealer. Only one variant is really in the bulletins, I believe some others were covered in service letters. Parts book is pathetic on frame stuff...frame assembly listed is presumably the late one made after several variants, but number has no suffix to indicate that it was developed over time and no earlier parts are shown. Front crossmember has a b suffix, but no clues on the a version, license bracket and 2 lengths or rear crossmember are indicated but nothing else! And...shock absorber are reinforcement shows an R suffix, meaning replacement part only, so it is maybe just the dealer service piece, rather than the production one?? '32's are really badly served by the parts books! Whatever the external braces are, they are on a frame with no inside ones...I think the lack of documentation on them is actually meaningless because so much is clearly missing from the book.

07-25-2010, 07:41 AM	#30
WHITEY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 108	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I had a house in Freeport, right up the road from where I think that pick was taken. I remember the sedan being for sale but did NOT know it to be an early car, just VERY nice that's a great car.

07-26-2010, 09:56 AM	#31
svm99 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Garlic Country of CA Posts: 541	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? I used a piece of a K-member to repair my frames k-member. The flange is relieved around the battery area and I had not seen another one like it. It just happened to be a piece I acquired. It appears from the pictured frame that the relief in the K-member flange is early. Am I right in this assumption? Paul J.

07-27-2010, 03:01 PM	#32
32phil Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montgomery, NY & Port St. Lucie Florida Posts: 939	Re: EARLY...1932 Frame...History? As I have posted before, I have a Standard V-8 sedan, low mileage ( 48 K ) serial # 18-203120 I believe this to be one of the last 32 Fords built. The crazy part is it too came from Maine ( Skowhegan ? I'm not sure of the spelling ) What are the chances of one of the first and one of the last 32s wound up in Maine ??