The Ford Barn

Licensed to kill · 01-05-2017, 03:09 PM

Personally, if I ask a question and the response I get is "The search engine is your friend" or something to that effect, I just go somewhere else for the information, another forum, or just google. I've left a few forums because of ignorant responses like that. It's like giving your waitress a .05 tip. It's way worse that giving nothing. Just about everything you could want to know can be found with google INCLUDING the information within forum archives which, if everyone used google would render forums needless and nothing more than archived information to be mined. Another interesting observation from someone that is/has been on many forums. Every once in a while, someone will come on and complain about lurkers, people that are registered but never post and sometimes even suggest that there should be a minimum # of posts before certain things can be accessed, like search, classifieds etc. It's often the same guys that, when a question is posted replies with "Do a search". People are a funny animal and I certainly don't envy those that own/run these public forums. JMO. Thanks for reading.

forever4 · 01-05-2017, 06:42 PM

I am going to start suggesting people just "search the cloud".

This whole business of the "the cloud" is nonsense.
It is just a server somewhere, just as it always has been.
It's either on your own device hardware, or on a server somewhere else.

The "cloud"? haha lol

I have been thinking about making my own cloud using a 3D printer as someone recently suggested!

updraught · 01-06-2017, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ian Simpson

Scan them into a PDF and e-mail them to yourself, or put them in the cloud, etc.

That would be illegal. I wouldn't want to end up in a US jail. I've seen Midnight Express.

forever4 · 01-06-2017, 05:03 AM

It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills.

What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive?
What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement?

Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills.
I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves.

updraught · 01-06-2017, 08:04 AM

Don't know where others are at, but I get a couple of hundred emails each day, and I'm expected to read a bucket load of stuff for work. The last thing I want to do after hours is read a book. I just want to know ... what I need to know ... and get on with it.

My "dream" is to have enough time to sit in a library and read books on anything I'm interested in. It is on my life bucket list.

I actually have a couple of the Les Andrews books I bought in the US a couple of years ago. In fact, US customs seemed to take a particular interest in them on leaving the country. They cut the lock off my bag, dumped the contents, stuffed it back in and left a note.

We've run out of storage space for books, so I have to search for them.

31 Model A · 01-06-2017, 08:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forever4

It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills.

What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive?
What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement?

Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills.
I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves.

Damn!!! Your attitude towards life sucks, is it only for Model A owners or life today in general? If it is so damn fecked up as you believe you are living it, maybe it's time for you to seek out an end to your disparity beliefs.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-06-2017, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 31 Model A

Damn!!! Your attitude towards life sucks, is it only for Model A owners or life today in general? If it is so damn fecked up as you believe you are living it, maybe it's time for you to seek out an end to your disparity beliefs.

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That's not the way I see it. I agree that in today's society there are many who expect the government (us taxpayers) to take care of them. A person should work and pay for what they get. That isn't expecting too much.

31 Model A · 01-06-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

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That's not the way I see it. I agree that in today's society there are many who expect the government (us taxpayers) to take care of them. A person should work and pay for what they get. That isn't expecting too much.

I agree 100% Tom, that's why I asked if his comment was for Model A owners or life in general. Today's society and way of life was laid on the ballot boxes a few months ago, here people come for help, buying some books is not always the answer. If a few want to use that answer when a question is asked, why are they here?

Pinesdune · 01-06-2017, 10:05 AM

The sad part is that in today's "modern" lifestyles, the last generation was brought up on TV, microwave suppers, and computers. Where both parents have to work to make ends meet because everyone is trying to keep up with the joneses and they commute for hours every day. So when these guys head out to their garage to tinker on their A, it's to let go of their stresses and try an end the day with a "simple" accomplishment (which with old iron....seldom happens). They don't have the skills taught from hours of playing in the shop "watching dad do it" because their dad was to busy providing for them. So they come to "the quick place for help" , "the place where "grandpas" reside and ask for help. Yes they can go to a book, yes they can do the searches, but some of these guys push paper and stare at computers all day. I bet they'd jump at joining a local club, but life gets in the way.

That's just my take on it

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PatrickGrant · 01-06-2017, 10:23 AM

My books get really trashed because I use them on the work bench when I'm "not" in the clouds. Resale value never plummets as fast as the value of the dollar. I'm addicted to this forum, but tend to search old posts and try not to make waves to erode the California coast. Good day @ -12*. Time to do a little book work from twin arm chair with remote !

31 Model A · 01-06-2017, 12:03 PM

If one is mechanically inclined, has the tools, space, time...then BUY THE BOOKS. If not, save the money and pay someone else to do the work, who has the torque wrench and the shop. If something is not running right, come here and ask, you'll get answers and not always just....BUY THE BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

C26Pinelake · 01-06-2017, 12:33 PM

The members that say buy the books or do a search are not the better members. The better Barners will do their best to help you. The others we can do without because they usually have a weak knowledge base to begin with. Wayne.

SeaSlugs · 01-06-2017, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinesdune

The sad part is that in today's "modern" lifestyles, the last generation was brought up on TV, microwave suppers, and computers. Where both parents have to work to make ends meet because everyone is trying to keep up with the joneses and they commute for hours every day.

Both parents usually have to work to be able to afford a house anymore...its not like 1970 where a college degree you could have a new car and a 4 bedroom house right out of college. Now you graduate $120,000+ in debt that you must start making payments on 6 months after you graduate. Get a job (maybe - everyone wants experience) making 35-50K a year while paying anywhere from 500-1200 month rent on an apartment on top of all the other usual other bills (god forbid a car payment in there too). So the only house working parents can afford is well away from their job. Its not wanting nice things its trying to do what our parents did (raise a family) with half the money and double the debt. My parents could work during the summer and be able to afford tuition as a full time student. Tell me what summer job an inexperienced college student could get and make $30,000(in state - add $20,000 to that for out of state residents) in 3 months to pay for college??? Heck even a cheap 4 year university is $16000 a year...Summer job paying $8 or even $10 an hour isnt going to make a dent in that. MIGHT be able to buy $200 a piece text book...

Cool Hand Lurker · 01-06-2017, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by forever4
It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills.

What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive?
What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement?

Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills.
I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves.

31 Model A
Damn!!! Your attitude towards life sucks, is it only for Model A owners or life today in general? If it is so damn fecked up as you believe you are living it, maybe it's time for you to seek out an end to your disparity beliefs.

First off, forever 4 had it right.
I don’t know if 31 Model A meant his reply as a joke, or if he didn’t understand the post. I sure didn’t understand his post.

One thing I do understand is what one of the causes of the Age of Socialist Entitlement is, and that is this quote from the Leader of the Free World: “We are going to redistribute the wealth!”

And thanks for the help, Vince!

31 Model A · 01-06-2017, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Lurker

Originally Posted by forever4
It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills.

What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive?
What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement?

Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills.
I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves.

31 Model A
Damn!!! Your attitude towards life sucks, is it only for Model A owners or life today in general? If it is so damn fecked up as you believe you are living it, maybe it's time for you to seek out an end to your disparity beliefs.

First off, forever 4 had it right.
I don’t know if 31 Model A meant his reply as a joke, or if he didn’t understand the post. I sure didn’t understand his post.

One thing I do understand is what one of the causes of the Age of Socialist Entitlement is, and that is this quote from the Leader of the Free World: “We are going to redistribute the wealth!”

And thanks for the help, Vince!

Read my post #41

01-05-2017, 06:42 PM	#42
forever4 BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 116	Re: Y Izzit? I am going to start suggesting people just "search the cloud". This whole business of the "the cloud" is nonsense. It is just a server somewhere, just as it always has been. It's either on your own device hardware, or on a server somewhere else. The "cloud"? haha lol I have been thinking about making my own cloud using a 3D printer as someone recently suggested! __________________ Try Ford Garage Search

01-06-2017, 05:03 AM	#44
forever4 BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 116	Re: Y Izzit? It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills. What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive? What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement? Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills. I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves. __________________ Try Ford Garage Search

01-06-2017, 08:04 AM	#45
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Re: Y Izzit? Don't know where others are at, but I get a couple of hundred emails each day, and I'm expected to read a bucket load of stuff for work. The last thing I want to do after hours is read a book. I just want to know ... what I need to know ... and get on with it. My "dream" is to have enough time to sit in a library and read books on anything I'm interested in. It is on my life bucket list. I actually have a couple of the Les Andrews books I bought in the US a couple of years ago. In fact, US customs seemed to take a particular interest in them on leaving the country. They cut the lock off my bag, dumped the contents, stuffed it back in and left a note. We've run out of storage space for books, so I have to search for them.

01-06-2017, 10:05 AM	#49
Pinesdune Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 414	Re: Y Izzit? The sad part is that in today's "modern" lifestyles, the last generation was brought up on TV, microwave suppers, and computers. Where both parents have to work to make ends meet because everyone is trying to keep up with the joneses and they commute for hours every day. So when these guys head out to their garage to tinker on their A, it's to let go of their stresses and try an end the day with a "simple" accomplishment (which with old iron....seldom happens). They don't have the skills taught from hours of playing in the shop "watching dad do it" because their dad was to busy providing for them. So they come to "the quick place for help" , "the place where "grandpas" reside and ask for help. Yes they can go to a book, yes they can do the searches, but some of these guys push paper and stare at computers all day. I bet they'd jump at joining a local club, but life gets in the way. That's just my take on it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-06-2017, 12:03 PM	#51
31 Model A Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Here I am in front of Todd's Grocery in 1931 selling Grit newspapers Posts: 2,548	Re: Y Izzit? If one is mechanically inclined, has the tools, space, time...then BUY THE BOOKS. If not, save the money and pay someone else to do the work, who has the torque wrench and the shop. If something is not running right, come here and ask, you'll get answers and not always just....BUY THE BOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "Bullshit and Brilliance Comes with Age and Experience" "Hey Lady, ya wanna buy a Grit?" "If you don't learn to laugh at trouble, you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old" Will Rogers

01-05-2017, 03:09 PM	#41
Licensed to kill Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Alberta Posts: 930	Re: Y Izzit? Personally, if I ask a question and the response I get is "The search engine is your friend" or something to that effect, I just go somewhere else for the information, another forum, or just google. I've left a few forums because of ignorant responses like that. It's like giving your waitress a .05 tip. It's way worse that giving nothing. Just about everything you could want to know can be found with google INCLUDING the information within forum archives which, if everyone used google would render forums needless and nothing more than archived information to be mined. Another interesting observation from someone that is/has been on many forums. Every once in a while, someone will come on and complain about lurkers, people that are registered but never post and sometimes even suggest that there should be a minimum # of posts before certain things can be accessed, like search, classifieds etc. It's often the same guys that, when a question is posted replies with "Do a search". People are a funny animal and I certainly don't envy those that own/run these public forums. JMO. Thanks for reading.

01-06-2017, 12:33 PM	#52
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Y Izzit? The members that say buy the books or do a search are not the better members. The better Barners will do their best to help you. The others we can do without because they usually have a weak knowledge base to begin with. Wayne.

01-06-2017, 04:00 PM	#54
Cool Hand Lurker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Minn Posts: 1,565	Re: Y Izzit? Originally Posted by forever4 It seems that American Society really has embraced the Age of Socialist Entitlement, where the 'haves' are expected to spoon feed the 'have-nots', whether it is the transfer of money and hard assets, or knowledge and skills. What ever happened to personal ambition, motivation, and drive? What about self satisfaction for knowledge acquired and skills developed and personal achievement? Often accused hoarder of knowledge, parts, and skills. I like helping people who appreciate help, and are also willing to help themselves. 31 Model A Damn!!! Your attitude towards life sucks, is it only for Model A owners or life today in general? If it is so damn fecked up as you believe you are living it, maybe it's time for you to seek out an end to your disparity beliefs. First off, forever 4 had it right. I don’t know if 31 Model A meant his reply as a joke, or if he didn’t understand the post. I sure didn’t understand his post. One thing I do understand is what one of the causes of the Age of Socialist Entitlement is, and that is this quote from the Leader of the Free World: “We are going to redistribute the wealth!” And thanks for the help, Vince!