The Ford Barn

Gene F · 08-30-2022, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aermotor

In SC if no VIN number is available or not found, a new one can be obtained through the state. The numbers are five zeros followed by 5 numbers in consecutive order which will never have two numbers the same again. My VIN inspector only verified that my new VIN matched the number that I had made at a trophy shop and installed on the firewall. He wasn't interested in anything like lights, horn etc. With the VIN number it was clear sailing through title and registration. My vehicle is a collection of parts from various 28 -31 models and I guess it would be a speedster.

John

Yes, as long as they can verify it is not stolen.

Synchro909 · 08-30-2022, 10:57 PM

We don't have titles for cars here but duplicate numbers can still be a problem. I heard of a guy a few year ago who went to register his newly restored Alvis 3 litre sedan. When he submitted the paperwork, he was told he couldn't register it with a stolen engine. He had owned the car for 23 years and knew the guy he bought it from. He had owned it for even longer so he knew it wasn't stolen. When the owner asked for details about the stolen engine, like "When was it stolen?", he was told it has stolen 5 years earlier and it was a Yamaha motorcycle. He gleefully asked the person refusing to register it (and their superior) to look at the car. It was obvious that was no motorcycle engine under the hood. They agreed that after 5 years, the Yamaha would never be recovered so they struck it off the record and registered the Alvis. They were indeed, the same engine number by coincidence.

31Cabriolet68-C · 09-01-2022, 10:02 AM

Ditto on the excellent advice to contact your local AAA folks. Also it's a good idea to reach out to (and join...) a Massachusetts Ford club. Here's why:
Advice from other states and countries, while well-meaning and interesting, will almost certainly not guide you through the processes devised over the centuries by the Massachusetts state government, a notably unique outfit (think Boston Tea Party). Best of luck going forward.
BTW, only about 50 miles south of you, just over the MA line in Connecticut, the "Nutmeg State" actually does not even issue or recognize "titles"... Ownership and registration are both solely based on a "bill of sale", whatever that may mean.
Here's how I know:
I'm the third owner of my Cabriolet, it was new sold in CT, and last registered in 1954, I found it on Long Island (2nd owner), in the early '70s. I started restoration in NJ, then stored it in VA for ~35 years, and brought it back to CT in 2018. No title, no bill of sale, no registration... Getting CT plates was very very complex, but doable! However, (OMG!) I haven't even thought about what would happen should I ever sell it to someone living out-of-state...
TallyHo!
John B

Tom A400 · 09-03-2022, 04:20 PM

I just titled a 1931 A400 in NC. The only year of production. The NCDMV had to send an inspector out to look at the vehicle to check the serial number on the engine. The engine serial # dictates the year of the vehicle. I knew this going into the purchase and made sure the engine was a 1931 engine. The first A400 I looked at had a 1929 engine and the seller (OHIO) told me it would not be a problem in NC. WRONG!

ronn · 09-03-2022, 06:20 PM

FYI. a 400s were built in 1930 as well.........

aermotor · 09-04-2022, 08:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom A400

I just titled a 1931 A400 in NC. The only year of production. The NCDMV had to send an inspector out to look at the vehicle to check the serial number on the engine. The engine serial # dictates the year of the vehicle. I knew this going into the purchase and made sure the engine was a 1931 engine. The first A400 I looked at had a 1929 engine and the seller (OHIO) told me it would not be a problem in NC. WRONG!

Bottom line, start with the DMV at the state level - not local by applying for a VIN and go from there. Once a VIN number is assigned in one state it should be good for all states.

Boston Bruce · 09-04-2022, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aermotor

Bottom line, start with the DMV at the state level - not local by applying for a VIN and go from there. Once a VIN number is assigned in one state it should be good for all states.

No, the "bottom line" is every state is different. NC seems like one of the more difficult places to register an antique vehicle. YMMV

aermotor · 09-04-2022, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Bruce

No, the "bottom line" is every state is different. NC seems like one of the more difficult places to register an antique vehicle. YMMV

Correct, but a VIN number is a VIN number once you have one that's it - good to go - should be able to transfer to any state. Title and registration is two different animals.

ronn · 09-05-2022, 06:32 AM

Title and registration is two different animals.

that would be incorrect....... about 10 states only use regs for titles. it is the same thing, but you need to know which states use which.

regs are used in NY CT RI GA MASS VT ME BAMA MISS etc. they are TITLES in all 50 states.

as clear as mud......but if you know what you are doing, not a problem. Problem with titling are to many armchair quarterbacks, who really dont know what they are talking about.

Chris Haynes · 09-05-2022, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronn

and for only 70. Chris, you can hand all of your paperwork to AAA

and not spend 5 hours in dmv to get processed.

one of the "nice" things about Cali

Living in CA I always use the AAA. I don't know if folks in other states have that luxury.

ronn · 09-05-2022, 04:05 PM

W dont Chris- that is a Cali thing ........

most I have spoken with must spend 5 hrs to get through dmv in CA- so AAA is a wonderful option

1931 flamingo · 09-06-2022, 08:06 AM

ronn

News to me that CT uses regs as Titles......................
Paul in CT

WHN · 09-06-2022, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

ronn

News to me that CT uses regs as Titles......................
Paul in CT

On cars that are 20 years or older.

If you look on a Connecticut registration there is a place that is checked for title or no title.

Connecticut also has a state form for Bill of Sale.

Enjoy.

ronn · 09-06-2022, 10:36 AM

as WHN says.

Ill take all of your CT regs for As and magically turn them into NJ titles or NY regs

done every day.

aermotor · 09-06-2022, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronn

as WHN says.

Ill take all of your CT regs for As and magically turn them into NJ titles or NY regs

done every day.

Glad to hear that from a non-armchair quarterback

ronn · 09-06-2022, 11:32 AM

Houdini had nothing on me.......

lol

rich40701 · 09-06-2022, 01:25 PM

Simple, just file for a lost title give your address and see whose name is on it when you get it.

aermotor · 09-06-2022, 02:01 PM

Okay, so much for title vs registration in some states. What about selling to a state that requires a title from a state where a reg is sufficient?

ronn · 09-06-2022, 02:35 PM

we live in the United States of America. all MUST accept the other 49 states paperwork.

will they give you a hard time? sometimes...... people treat dmv like the IRS- its called FEAR.

stand up for yourself and find out what is really required in your state. When they say no, take your paperwork and hit another dmv. Its not rocket science.

Knowledge is key.

Gene F · 09-06-2022, 08:10 PM

When I am thinking about buying a car in another state I ask the seller what they have in hand, and the VIN on the actual car. Then I call the courthouse. Then I call again the next day to make sure I get the same story.

One time I was buying a car in California, and having it shipped. I asked the girl how she would know a stae that far away. She told me "we have a NADA book that tells us".

08-30-2022, 10:57 PM	#22
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Title problem We don't have titles for cars here but duplicate numbers can still be a problem. I heard of a guy a few year ago who went to register his newly restored Alvis 3 litre sedan. When he submitted the paperwork, he was told he couldn't register it with a stolen engine. He had owned the car for 23 years and knew the guy he bought it from. He had owned it for even longer so he knew it wasn't stolen. When the owner asked for details about the stolen engine, like "When was it stolen?", he was told it has stolen 5 years earlier and it was a Yamaha motorcycle. He gleefully asked the person refusing to register it (and their superior) to look at the car. It was obvious that was no motorcycle engine under the hood. They agreed that after 5 years, the Yamaha would never be recovered so they struck it off the record and registered the Alvis. They were indeed, the same engine number by coincidence. __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

09-01-2022, 10:02 AM	#23
31Cabriolet68-C Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 140	Re: Title problem Ditto on the excellent advice to contact your local AAA folks. Also it's a good idea to reach out to (and join...) a Massachusetts Ford club. Here's why: Advice from other states and countries, while well-meaning and interesting, will almost certainly not guide you through the processes devised over the centuries by the Massachusetts state government, a notably unique outfit (think Boston Tea Party). Best of luck going forward. BTW, only about 50 miles south of you, just over the MA line in Connecticut, the "Nutmeg State" actually does not even issue or recognize "titles"... Ownership and registration are both solely based on a "bill of sale", whatever that may mean. Here's how I know: I'm the third owner of my Cabriolet, it was new sold in CT, and last registered in 1954, I found it on Long Island (2nd owner), in the early '70s. I started restoration in NJ, then stored it in VA for ~35 years, and brought it back to CT in 2018. No title, no bill of sale, no registration... Getting CT plates was very very complex, but doable! However, (OMG!) I haven't even thought about what would happen should I ever sell it to someone living out-of-state... TallyHo! John B

09-03-2022, 04:20 PM	#24
Tom A400 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 19	Re: Title problem I just titled a 1931 A400 in NC. The only year of production. The NCDMV had to send an inspector out to look at the vehicle to check the serial number on the engine. The engine serial # dictates the year of the vehicle. I knew this going into the purchase and made sure the engine was a 1931 engine. The first A400 I looked at had a 1929 engine and the seller (OHIO) told me it would not be a problem in NC. WRONG!

09-03-2022, 06:20 PM	#25
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem FYI. a 400s were built in 1930 as well.........

09-05-2022, 06:32 AM	#29
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem Title and registration is two different animals. that would be incorrect....... about 10 states only use regs for titles. it is the same thing, but you need to know which states use which. regs are used in NY CT RI GA MASS VT ME BAMA MISS etc. they are TITLES in all 50 states. as clear as mud......but if you know what you are doing, not a problem. Problem with titling are to many armchair quarterbacks, who really dont know what they are talking about.

09-05-2022, 04:05 PM	#31
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem W dont Chris- that is a Cali thing ........ most I have spoken with must spend 5 hrs to get through dmv in CA- so AAA is a wonderful option

09-06-2022, 08:06 AM	#32
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Title problem ronn News to me that CT uses regs as Titles...................... Paul in CT

09-06-2022, 10:36 AM	#34
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem as WHN says. Ill take all of your CT regs for As and magically turn them into NJ titles or NY regs done every day.

09-06-2022, 11:32 AM	#36
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem Houdini had nothing on me....... lol

09-06-2022, 01:25 PM	#37
rich40701 Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Location: Corbin, KY Posts: 78	Re: Title problem Simple, just file for a lost title give your address and see whose name is on it when you get it.

09-06-2022, 02:01 PM	#38
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: Title problem Okay, so much for title vs registration in some states. What about selling to a state that requires a title from a state where a reg is sufficient?

09-06-2022, 02:35 PM	#39
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: Title problem we live in the United States of America. all MUST accept the other 49 states paperwork. will they give you a hard time? sometimes...... people treat dmv like the IRS- its called FEAR. stand up for yourself and find out what is really required in your state. When they say no, take your paperwork and hit another dmv. Its not rocket science. Knowledge is key.

09-06-2022, 08:10 PM	#40
Gene F Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,973	Re: Title problem When I am thinking about buying a car in another state I ask the seller what they have in hand, and the VIN on the actual car. Then I call the courthouse. Then I call again the next day to make sure I get the same story. One time I was buying a car in California, and having it shipped. I asked the girl how she would know a stae that far away. She told me "we have a NADA book that tells us".