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DickCrabtree · 05-08-2016, 07:59 PM

I recently bought a diamond block for a Model A that was never stamped with an identification number. I am replacing a block in my car that was cracked. Does anyone sell a kit to stamp a block? Any suggestions?

Mitch//pa · 05-08-2016, 08:02 PM

http://restostamps.com/index.php?opt...id=1&Itemid=26

Charlie Stephens · 05-08-2016, 08:08 PM

My suggestion, remember that I have no idea what state or country you live in, would be to talk to your local DMV. They will look at your title and the number on the engine to verify the car matches the title and then put an ID tag on your door. Depending on where you live stamping a number into the block could get you in trouble.

Charlie Stephens

Mitch//pa · 05-08-2016, 08:12 PM

AER will restamp your engine number on a replacement block for a small fee.
It's not a big deal on these old cars..the numbers on the frame your just matching it, no one is doing time over it.. Engines get changed out all the time

CarlG · 05-08-2016, 08:50 PM

In the swap meet:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...e+frame+stamps

Charlie Stephens · 05-08-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

AER will restamp your engine number on a replacement block for a small fee.
It's not a big deal on these old cars..the numbers on the frame your just matching it, no one is doing time over it.. Engines get changed out all the time

Are you sure based on where DickCrabtree lives? In some parts of the world they are still barbaric with their punishments.

Charlie Stephens

Pickupman · 05-08-2016, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Are you sure based on where DickCrabtree lives? In some parts of the world they are still barbaric with their punishments.

Charlie Stephens

I've never heard of anyone serving any jail time. Please enlighten me with all this barbaric punishment.

Charlie Stephens · 05-08-2016, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pickupman

I've never heard of anyone serving any jail time. Please enlighten me with all this barbaric punishment.

I was making a jab at DickCrabtree since he still hasn't told us in general where he lives and in certain parts of the world they are into barbaric punishments, maybe he lives in one of those places. You know stoning, beheading, cutting off hands. I doubt any of those punishments apply to VIN tampering but I must admit I am not familiar with all of the laws in foreign countries. With the original engine in the car he is at a place where it would be easy to do it right and that is what I strongly suggest.

Charlie Stephens

700rpm · 05-08-2016, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

I was making a jab at DickCrabtree since he still hasn't told us in general where he lives and in certain parts of the world they are into barbaric punishments, maybe he lives in one of those places. You know stoning, beheading, cutting off hands. I doubt any of those punishments apply to VIN tampering but I must admit I am not familiar with all of the laws in foreign countries. With the original engine in the car he is at a place where it would be easy to do it right and that is what I strongly suggest.

Charlie Stephens

Dick lives in South Dakota, and don't think they've beheaded anybody there for at least six months.

SteveB31 · 05-08-2016, 11:07 PM

I have a set you can borrow.

Steve Becker
Bert's Model A Center

ian Simpson · 05-08-2016, 11:15 PM

The most barbaric punishment would be to deal with the authorities whom you may have offended.

CWPASADENA · 05-08-2016, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 700rpm

Dick lives in South Dakota, and don't think they've beheaded anybody there for at least six months.

I think South Dakota is still into hanging or the firing squad.

Chris W.

CWPASADENA · 05-08-2016, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

My suggestion, remember that I have no idea what state or country you live in, would be to talk to your local DMV. They will look at your title and the number on the engine to verify the car matches the title and then put an ID tag on your door. Depending on where you live stamping a number into the block could get you in trouble.

Charlie Stephens

I also live in Southern California and the last thing I would want to do is to talk to the DMV about this sort of thing.

I also would not want to have a DMV tag on the door post of my car.

My opinion

Chris W.

DickCrabtree · 05-09-2016, 08:47 AM

Thanks for all the suggestions. Here in South Dakota you can get a license to carry in 15 minutes but a change in a title can take months. Since I have the old block, stamping a block that has not previously had a number should not get me the death penalty. I am planning on scrapping the old block so there should not be a conflict. Ian is correct, the most useless and barbaric public servants work in the DMV.

Charlie Stephens · 05-09-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 700rpm

Dick lives in South Dakota, and don't think they've beheaded anybody there for at least six months.

I am sure glad to hear that.

Charlie Stephens

silversink · 05-09-2016, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 700rpm

Dick lives in South Dakota, and don't think they've beheaded anybody there for at least six months.

I'm sure a couple have gotten stoned though

CarlG · 05-09-2016, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by silversink

I'm sure a couple have gotten stoned though

A common event you see here most weekends.

hardtimes · 05-09-2016, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DickCrabtree

Thanks for all the suggestions. Here in South Dakota you can get a license to carry in 15 minutes but a change in a title can take months. Since I have the old block, stamping a block that has not previously had a number should not get me the death penalty. I am planning on scrapping the old block so there should not be a conflict. Ian is correct, the most useless and barbaric public servants work in the DMV.

Hey Dick,
Interesting information, i.e.- 'most useless/barbaric public servants' vs no death penalty ? I'm thinking that if your evaluation of this class of servants is accurate...I'd like to see the look on a guys face...when 'they'... load his car onto a trailer and issue summons

. I'm guessing that some still will and do.

SeaSlugs · 05-09-2016, 03:17 PM

stamp it how the factory did with the stars on either end and repaint over it - then keep your mouth shut about it and noone will know...dont want loose lips traveling to friends in the state departments.

1931 flamingo · 05-09-2016, 05:02 PM

I'm sure the police in all 50 states have better things to do than pull over a Model A Ford and ck to see if the engine # has been restamped. That said the majority of them would probably have to be shown where it was.
JMO
Paul in CT.

Sometimes methinks some of us worry about nothing. Again JMO

CarlG · 05-09-2016, 05:57 PM

My "new" engine has a blank serial number pad. I have the stamps, just haven't got around to stamping it yet.

One of these days, maybe. (yawn)

Mitch//pa · 05-09-2016, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG

My "new" engine has a blank serial number pad. I have the stamps, just haven't got around to stamping it yet.

One of these days, maybe. (yawn)

Carl
Maybe since your experienced the authorities will house you in the license plate stamping dept wing of the penitentiary.

beats hard labor on a chain gang

Fred K-OR · 05-09-2016, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveB31

I have a set you can borrow.

Steve Becker
Bert's Model A Center

Steve has offered you a good solution if you want to re-stamp. They have quality items and service.

Cool Hand Lurker · 05-09-2016, 08:28 PM

By stamping the correct number on the blank block you are not altering anything, you are not changing anything, you are not removing anything, you are not committing any fraud, you are simply putting the correct number on a replacement part of your vehicle that nobody has claimed is stolen. After it is done there is NO evidence of any crime. If the arresting officer cannot provide proof of a crime and brings it before the judge anyway, the judge will throw it out of court.
Don't create problems that are not there. Stamp the numbers!

Charlie Stephens · 05-09-2016, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG

My "new" engine has a blank serial number pad. I have the stamps, just haven't got around to stamping it yet.

One of these days, maybe. (yawn)

I assume you have installed the new engine in the car and are driving it. A police officer stops you for a missing tail light. You explain that the car only came from the factory with one and he says ok. Then he asks you for your registration and looks through the window to see the VIN. You tell him that it is not in that location but you cannot show him where it is to verify the car on the registration is the car in front of him since you haven't stamped the block. He calls the tow truck and the car is impounded. Or maybe you have an accident and the insurance agent come out and wants to verify the car in the accident is the one his company insured, guess what? Then maybe I just worry too much.

Charlie Stephens

Mike V. Florida · 05-09-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaSlugs

stamp it how the factory did with the stars on either end and repaint over it - then keep your mouth shut about it and noone will know...dont want loose lips traveling to friends in the state departments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

I'm sure the police in all 50 states have better things to do than pull over a Model A Ford and ck to see if the engine # has been restamped. That said the majority of them would probably have to be shown where it was.
JMO
Paul in CT.

Sometimes methinks some of us worry about nothing. Again JMO

Just trying to keep the members here informed. Problems only arise when the vehicle is so far from the look and driveability of the original as to stick out that the stampings are just a way to "cheat" the government of their taxes.

Here is a famous case; http://www.hotrod.com/news/0501kc-sp...-registration/

Mike V. Florida · 05-09-2016, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Hand Lurker

By stamping the correct number on the blank block you are not altering anything, you are not changing anything, you are not removing anything, you are not committing any fraud, you are simply putting the correct number on a replacement part of your vehicle that nobody has claimed is stolen. After it is done there is NO evidence of any crime. If the arresting officer cannot provide proof of a crime and brings it before the judge anyway, the judge will throw it out of court.
Don't create problems that are not there. Stamp the numbers!

This is true assuming that you already had a valid title that has that number. I would not want to be in front a judge and tell him, "yea judge, the family had this old car so I found a title and just wanted it to match the car so I stamped the block."

Flathead · 05-10-2016, 01:06 PM

I'm curious what was done about numbers "back in the day" when you might put in a Sears Roebuck rebuilt or some other replacement engine new or used. Were they routinely re-stamped or just ignored.

hardtimes · 05-10-2016, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Lurker

By stamping the correct number on the blank block you are not altering anything, you are not changing anything, you are not removing anything, you are not committing any fraud, you are simply putting the correct number on a replacement part of your vehicle that nobody has claimed is stolen. After it is done there is NO evidence of any crime. If the arresting officer cannot provide proof of a crime and brings it before the judge anyway, the judge will throw it out of court.
Don't create problems that are not there. Stamp the numbers!

Hey Lurker,
Wow, that is good !!
I'm going to copy this and plasticote it and tape a copy in my roadster....next to the location where I stamped my #s..to show if questioned

!

You ever hear of a guy named Murphy

?

I'm guessing that you are a transplant for the left coast..no

Shoot, out here your car IS IMPOUNDED for exhibition of speed (racing), imagine what 'they' would/could do for 'suspicion/evidence' of fraud !!

hardtimes · 05-10-2016, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flathead

I'm curious what was done about numbers "back in the day" when you might put in a Sears Roebuck rebuilt or some other replacement engine new or used. Were they routinely re-stamped or just ignored.

I'm thinking that there was no DMV (just the thot brings a

) ...back in the day('30s).
Also think that the factory records of those days (thankfully)are the only records of engine #s, and that was for company uses ?

Chris Haynes · 05-10-2016, 03:38 PM

It is illegal to alter or deface a manufacturers serial number. I see no problem with applying one.

Cool Hand Lurker · 05-11-2016, 06:07 PM

I have obtained titles where there were none probably ten times, maybe more. I look at the number on an available motor or one that is in the car and then go to the local licensing agent and ask them to check their computer to see if there is a title issued to a Model A with that number. If there is, then I move on to another engine. When I find one where there is no title registered in Minnesota then I use that engine or if it is trash then I use the number.
It isn't hurting anybody.

My position is that the motor is not the vehicle, the motor becomes a part of a vehicle when it is installed and the complete car comes off the assembly line.

And I don't care what they do in California. That state has cost the country HUGE with it's wacko laws, especially with the environment and vehicle emissions.

Charlie Stephens · 05-11-2016, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flathead

I'm curious what was done about numbers "back in the day" when you might put in a Sears Roebuck rebuilt or some other replacement engine new or used. Were they routinely re-stamped or just ignored.

It is my understanding based on what I have read that people were "required" to notify DMV of the new engine number. Of course I am sure that this was frequently not done and may not have been the practice in all states. I imagine there was a lot of restamping.

Charlie Stephens

05-08-2016, 07:59 PM	#1
DickCrabtree Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 56	Engine stamping I recently bought a diamond block for a Model A that was never stamped with an identification number. I am replacing a block in my car that was cracked. Does anyone sell a kit to stamp a block? Any suggestions?

05-08-2016, 08:02 PM	#2
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Engine stamping http://restostamps.com/index.php?opt...id=1&Itemid=26

05-08-2016, 08:08 PM	#3
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,043	Re: Engine stamping My suggestion, remember that I have no idea what state or country you live in, would be to talk to your local DMV. They will look at your title and the number on the engine to verify the car matches the title and then put an ID tag on your door. Depending on where you live stamping a number into the block could get you in trouble. Charlie Stephens

05-08-2016, 08:12 PM	#4
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Engine stamping AER will restamp your engine number on a replacement block for a small fee. It's not a big deal on these old cars..the numbers on the frame your just matching it, no one is doing time over it.. Engines get changed out all the time Last edited by Mitch//pa; 05-08-2016 at 08:22 PM.

05-08-2016, 08:50 PM	#5
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,117	Re: Engine stamping In the swap meet: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...e+frame+stamps __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

05-08-2016, 11:07 PM	#10
SteveB31 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Englewood, Colorado Posts: 1,372	Re: Engine stamping I have a set you can borrow. Steve Becker Bert's Model A Center

05-08-2016, 11:15 PM	#11
ian Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 709	Re: Engine stamping The most barbaric punishment would be to deal with the authorities whom you may have offended.

05-09-2016, 08:47 AM	#14
DickCrabtree Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 56	Re: Engine stamping Thanks for all the suggestions. Here in South Dakota you can get a license to carry in 15 minutes but a change in a title can take months. Since I have the old block, stamping a block that has not previously had a number should not get me the death penalty. I am planning on scrapping the old block so there should not be a conflict. Ian is correct, the most useless and barbaric public servants work in the DMV.

05-09-2016, 03:17 PM	#19
SeaSlugs Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 3,968	Re: Engine stamping stamp it how the factory did with the stars on either end and repaint over it - then keep your mouth shut about it and noone will know...dont want loose lips traveling to friends in the state departments. __________________ 1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!

05-09-2016, 05:02 PM	#20
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,392	Re: Engine stamping I'm sure the police in all 50 states have better things to do than pull over a Model A Ford and ck to see if the engine # has been restamped. That said the majority of them would probably have to be shown where it was. JMO Paul in CT. Sometimes methinks some of us worry about nothing. Again JMO

05-09-2016, 05:57 PM	#21
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,117	Re: Engine stamping My "new" engine has a blank serial number pad. I have the stamps, just haven't got around to stamping it yet. One of these days, maybe. (yawn) __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

05-09-2016, 08:28 PM	#24
Cool Hand Lurker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Minn Posts: 1,565	Re: Engine stamping By stamping the correct number on the blank block you are not altering anything, you are not changing anything, you are not removing anything, you are not committing any fraud, you are simply putting the correct number on a replacement part of your vehicle that nobody has claimed is stolen. After it is done there is NO evidence of any crime. If the arresting officer cannot provide proof of a crime and brings it before the judge anyway, the judge will throw it out of court. Don't create problems that are not there. Stamp the numbers!

05-10-2016, 01:06 PM	#28
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,502	Re: Engine stamping I'm curious what was done about numbers "back in the day" when you might put in a Sears Roebuck rebuilt or some other replacement engine new or used. Were they routinely re-stamped or just ignored.

05-10-2016, 03:38 PM	#31
Chris Haynes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camarillo, CA and Pine Grove, CA Posts: 2,840	Re: Engine stamping It is illegal to alter or deface a manufacturers serial number. I see no problem with applying one. __________________ 1921 Runabout 1930 Tudor Early 1930 AA Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

05-11-2016, 06:07 PM	#32
Cool Hand Lurker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Minn Posts: 1,565	Re: Engine stamping I have obtained titles where there were none probably ten times, maybe more. I look at the number on an available motor or one that is in the car and then go to the local licensing agent and ask them to check their computer to see if there is a title issued to a Model A with that number. If there is, then I move on to another engine. When I find one where there is no title registered in Minnesota then I use that engine or if it is trash then I use the number. It isn't hurting anybody. My position is that the motor is not the vehicle, the motor becomes a part of a vehicle when it is installed and the complete car comes off the assembly line. And I don't care what they do in California. That state has cost the country HUGE with it's wacko laws, especially with the environment and vehicle emissions.