Molded vs. Woven linings

[ford35lh]

I have had a box of NORS Greyrock linings for 25 years and the other
day I opened it for the first time and found this installation instructions.
Thought it may be of interest to some.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by ford35lh

I have had a box of NORS Greyrock linings for 25 years and the other
day I opened it for the first time and found this installation instructions.
Thought it may be of interest to some.

[FlatheadTed]

Interesting ,it says energized.

[Brian]

yes Ted, You know full well 37-38 brakes are 'energized'.

[FlatheadTed]

Brian I am aware of that ,that s not a denial ,just a of the cuff comment ,
of course my brake floater was invented completely independent of any thing Ford did and with out the knowledge of Fords efforts in 1937 or seeing any of there designs .As a quest to improve my brakes on my 34 ,My objective was to get the shoes to move I came up with some parts of my own design with supporting hardware that I experimented with . And i repeat with out ever seeing or knowing what Ford did . The only witness is my wife after 3 mths work the results were spectacular ,Shelly so kindly let me show them on here there was no talk of brake floaters in those days till i came along .I still have the prototype parts that I will put up photos of some time . Ted

[kiwi nz]

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Ted, it is just over 50 years since I got my 1st V8, a 37 wellside truck. I had small english flathead ford 4 cyl cars for a while before then. On those we called floating brake mechanisms, compensators. Seized solid no good, free moving very good.
The 1937 mechanism was well known as having the potential to privide exceptional brakes, the draw back was that by the time most of us got or hands on them that the linkage connections and operating mechanisms had so much wear that getting them to brake in a straight line become the biggest problem.
The other problem was that to get the (crucial) clearance on the leading shoe Ford specified using a dummy brake drum. I saw a photo of one it was slightly over size and had holes cut so that feeler guages could be used to measure shoe to drum clearance. I have never know any one with such a brake drum.
Most people were blissfully unaware of this need so all sorts of unsatifactory attempts were made to get them working as they should. Most people had 1937 fords with unreliable, at best, brakes.
There was a brake company on. Manukau Rd, Epsom. Auckland that did a lot of brake work in those days, most of us went to them. I had some drums "cleaned up" by them the shoes relined and radiased to fit the drums. When I picked them up the older gentleman explained to me how to adjust that leading shoe without the dummy brake drum. First test drive out of the garage, I was wrapped around the steering wheel and becoming on first name basis with the windshield. had to back them off.

They are good.
Geoff Kiwi

[Jack E/NJ]

>>You know full well 37-38 brakes are 'energized'.>>

Well, I didn't 60+ years ago. Now I'm stuck with these unenergized lockheeds. Still patientily waiting for Ted's kit to fix them.

[Old Redneck]

Who sells Flathead Ted Flowers in the USA?

[FlatheadTed]

Good story Geoff,

Originally Posted by kiwi nz

Ted, it is just over 50 years since I got my 1st V8, a 37 wellside truck. I had small english flathead ford 4 cyl cars for a while before then. On those we called floating brake mechanisms, compensators. Seized solid no good, free moving very good.
The 1937 mechanism was well known as having the potential to privide exceptional brakes, the draw back was that by the time most of us got or hands on them that the linkage connections and operating mechanisms had so much wear that getting them to brake in a straight line become the biggest problem.
The other problem was that to get the (crucial) clearance on the leading shoe Ford specified using a dummy brake drum. I saw a photo of one it was slightly over size and had holes cut so that feeler guages could be used to measure shoe to drum clearance. I have never know any one with such a brake drum.
Most people were blissfully unaware of this need so all sorts of unsatifactory attempts were made to get them working as they should. Most people had 1937 fords with unreliable, at best, brakes.
There was a brake company on. Manukau Rd, Epsom. Auckland that did a lot of brake work in those days, most of us went to them. I had some drums "cleaned up" by them the shoes relined and radiased to fit the drums. When I picked them up the older gentleman explained to me how to adjust that leading shoe without the dummy brake drum. First test drive out of the garage, I was wrapped around the steering wheel and becoming on first name basis with the windshield. had to back them off.

They are good.
Geoff Kiwi

[aussie merc]

well here's one according to spec sheets issued by ford mixed linings started with the use of cables in 37 and continued thru 1940 and beyond for passenger cars with Lincolns beginning their use in 36 So when i buy linings why are they either woven or moulded not mixed as per factory

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by aussie merc

well here's one according to spec sheets issued by ford mixed linings started with the use of cables in 37 and continued thru 1940 and beyond for passenger cars with Lincolns beginning their use in 36 So when i buy linings why are they either woven or moulded not mixed as per factory

The first I’ve heard of mixed linings is here on this thread. From what I’ve read, woven was discontinued in ‘37 in favor of molded. The instruction sheet posted here is aftermarket, not from Ford.

[Newc]

On HAMB right now , there is a set of woven linings For Sale. Newc

[19Fordy]

FWIW: I remember reading a long time ago that OEM Ford car linings were .19 in. thick.

[aussie merc]

thought this would be of interest straight from the gospel according to Henry