|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
12-07-2012, 09:41 PM | #1 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St. Davids, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 84
|
Simmons Carburetor
Just restoring a couple of Zenith carbs, and in the cuboard was this Simmons carb. Bottom was "zenith 1" and top the letter"S". A brass
plate was pinned to the top stating the following:Simmons Carberator, The Simmons Mfg. Company, Oh. Pat. 1815650. The float valve is not a zenith and the butterfly is steel . Any comments appreciated. Grant |
12-08-2012, 12:44 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 3,141
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
I came across a simmons top casting for a 31 indented firewall that was mounted on a standard Zenith bottom casting.The Simmons casting is similar to the Zenith side bowl casting. The Simmons is said to be a superior carburetor to the Zenith. I restored the hybrid carburetor and it workd fine on my late 31 Victoria, however, I saw no difference than a standard side bowl Zenith. Without a bottom Simmons casting I believe you must lose something as there must be extra pasageways on the bottom casting that line up with the extra pasageways in the top casting. I have no idea what they are for, but they must be there for a purpose.
Tom Endy |
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
12-08-2012, 01:29 AM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 6,361
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Could it be for an air balance tube? I think that's what it called.
|
12-08-2012, 01:57 AM | #4 |
BANNED
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80
Posts: 4,893
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Exactly what I was thinking. Rod
__________________
Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!! |
12-08-2012, 03:20 AM | #5 |
Senior Member
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
__________________
What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II Last edited by Mike V. Florida; 12-08-2012 at 03:44 AM. |
12-08-2012, 10:57 AM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
|
12-08-2012, 04:35 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,957
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
I would like to buy a SIMMONS Side Bowl Carburetor.
Not only for the performance but my wife's maiden name is Simmons. It would make a good pair. Please email me direct at: [email protected] |
12-08-2012, 06:26 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern CT
Posts: 2,732
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
I have an unrestored Simmons carb on the shelf. I will rebuild it some day, but for now am trying to build a good model B carb from 3.
|
12-08-2012, 08:21 PM | #9 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St. Davids, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 84
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Hey Guys, great info on the simmons carb. I shure would like to see some pics of one with the Simmons bottom bowl.
Thanks . GRANT |
12-08-2012, 10:39 PM | #10 | |
Senior Member
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Quote:
You are such a romantic!!!
__________________
What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II |
|
12-08-2012, 11:41 PM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,560
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Well what about me, Mike?
I named MINERVA after a far away relative in Pat's family tree!! Skipped my mother-in-law, she had a FUNNY name. Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF" |
12-09-2012, 09:43 AM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
|
12-14-2012, 12:17 PM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 192
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
|
12-14-2012, 12:44 PM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is a pic of one of my Simmons alloy carbs. Check the link that Mike V posted above for more pics and info.
|
12-14-2012, 05:59 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,957
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
In a summer 1931 Western Auto catalog I have they are called the "Duplex Improved Carburetor"
Does someone have a Western or Other era catalog that shows the side bowl one. Thanks |
12-14-2012, 06:33 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
I have an alloy version with Wizard improved on the brass name plate. I don't have a side bowl version. I'll have Deb make some more pictures and post them later.
|
12-19-2012, 04:40 PM | #17 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 40
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Hi,
i jut noticed the post on the simmons carb. During the last several years i have collected a total seven of simons carbs. Five of them are all different the other two are duplicates. I havn,t researched them so here are a few questions how mainy different types of simmons did they make for model a,s are there any publications ever printed on simmons i noticed on page 79 of the book those wonderful unautherized accessories for the model a ford. Also they made acessories for . Model t,s. Thank you al those wonderful unautherized accessories for the model a: ;d ; |
12-20-2012, 08:59 AM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,957
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Some nice picture of a Simmons Head and Manifold would be great also
|
12-20-2012, 11:49 AM | #19 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sacramento Ca
Posts: 1,179
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
this is for 2many cars
i have an excellent 32 carb i would trade if you would send Joop info on your simmons if joop likes the simmons i would just trade straight across tom |
12-21-2012, 09:04 AM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,957
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
|
12-21-2012, 11:26 AM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
More pics. This one showes the difference in the engine side of the choke and throttle bosses. The bosses on the left carb are shorter on the engine side. This was probably changed to save cast iron.
|
12-21-2012, 11:31 AM | #22 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
I see that two different styles of needle valve and seats were used, Im not sure which came first but they won't interchange.
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
12-21-2012, 11:33 AM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is a pic of the two different style needle and seat assys.
|
12-21-2012, 11:43 AM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is the idle jet, it is similar but about 1/8 inch longer than the Zenith idle jet and the threads are different.
|
12-21-2012, 11:55 AM | #25 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
This shows the difference in the threaded holes that the different style needle seats connect and why they won't interchange.
|
12-21-2012, 12:02 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 12-21-2012 at 01:20 PM. |
12-21-2012, 12:07 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
The ventiri on the left is used with the cast iron simmons. The venturi on the right is used with the alloy Simmons and won't interchange with the cast iron Simmons.
|
12-21-2012, 12:14 PM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Cocoa, Florida
Posts: 1,609
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Interesting, nice pics Purdy Swoft.
I got these indexes from ModelA.org •"Restorer" magazine, Nov/Dec 1995, Page 15, "Simmons Carburetors for the Model A" •"Restorer" magazine, Mar/Apr 1996, Page 10, "Model A Era Carburetors"
__________________
Wanted: Simmons Super Power Head Craig Likon 1931 150B Last edited by ctlikon0712; 12-21-2012 at 12:34 PM. |
12-21-2012, 12:16 PM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is a bottom view of the Two venturi styles . The upper venturi was used with the alloy version. The Simmons alloy venturi doesn't have a tapered lower edge and the inside diameter is smaller. No wonder that the alloy version delivers less CFM and would be less desirable for performance. Both style carbs still have the high speed passage. The Alloy version will give less umph.
Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 12-21-2012 at 01:22 PM. |
12-21-2012, 12:33 PM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is a Simmons Alloy and a Wizard improived carb side by side. Same carb just different name plate. Some alloy version parts will interchange with the cast iron version, such as float, needle driver and assy. choke and throttle shaft and some other parts. The big difference is the venturi.
Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 12-21-2012 at 01:24 PM. |
12-21-2012, 12:40 PM | #31 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
This shows the Wizard improved brass name plate. Notice the beveled edge at the flange above the throttle butterfly.Western Auto sold both and as far as I can tell, they are both the same. I don't know why the Wizard name was used on some.
|
12-21-2012, 12:44 PM | #32 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
A few cast iron Simmons carburetor cores.
|
12-21-2012, 12:44 PM | #33 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,957
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Thanks Purdy You are the SIMMONS "Guru"
|
12-21-2012, 12:55 PM | #34 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Here is a few dismantled for show and tell.
|
12-21-2012, 01:09 PM | #35 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
This shows the main jet. The main jet attaches to the plug under the bottom of the air horn with a 1/2 inch wrench. the jet protrudes through a tube in the lowere casting and there is no cap jet.
|
12-21-2012, 01:14 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
The area arround the main jet looks different on the alloy version. The jet looks the same to the naked eye when removed.
|
12-21-2012, 01:37 PM | #37 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Quote:
Thanks, I have the info that you have listed, its the only written info that I have found. The first time that I heard of a Simmons carb was several years ago and was the one that was briefly shown on the Carburetors and carbohydrates video. |
|
12-21-2012, 01:42 PM | #38 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
|
12-22-2012, 02:00 AM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Cocoa, Florida
Posts: 1,609
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Purdy, for someone who doesn't have the two articles, could you scan/post them? Or anyone?
Thanks Purdy
__________________
Wanted: Simmons Super Power Head Craig Likon 1931 150B |
05-19-2024, 01:53 PM | #40 |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Las Cruces New Mexico
Posts: 52
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Those articles are on MAFCA's thumb drive of the first 50 years of The Restorer magazine.
|
05-19-2024, 02:40 PM | #41 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Clinton,WA/Whidbey Island
Posts: 4,185
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Unrestored Simmons carb matching top/bottom! and info.
__________________
www.whidbeymodelaclub.com |
05-19-2024, 03:05 PM | #42 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Powell, TN
Posts: 2,521
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Where are the pics?
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
05-19-2024, 03:07 PM | #43 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Powell, TN
Posts: 2,521
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Opps, they just popped up
|
05-19-2024, 03:10 PM | #44 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 4,143
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Purdy, Is there some secrete to viewing your photos? All I see is a snow ball in a snow storm.
Maybe they will just pop up like they did for Jim in TTeenneessee. My computer is saying it is still working on it. Still didn't pop up. I think my computer gave up.
__________________
A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past. Last edited by nkaminar; 05-19-2024 at 03:29 PM. |
05-19-2024, 08:19 PM | #45 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 5,946
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Purdy Swoft passed a few years ago. Those pictures were posted ~12 years ago.
|
05-22-2024, 09:06 PM | #46 |
Member
Join Date: Feb 2023
Posts: 91
|
Re: Simmons Carburetor
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
|
|
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|