|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
12-08-2019, 06:12 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
29 Tudor windlace question
The windlace that goes around the door openings on the Tudor--is it installed as one piece with notched corners OR are they three separate pieces? If they are three pieces how are the corners fitted? Photos would be helpful.
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
12-08-2019, 07:59 PM | #2 |
BANNED
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Fred,
They are three separate pieces. The one on the wooden door post is tacked to the wood. the one above the window is also tacked to the wood. To assemble the cowl post windlace, you have to remove the 7 or so rivets from the metal strip. The windlace has sewn to it a strip of cardboard which fits into the special metal strip with rivets. Hopefully someone can chime in on the rest of your questions. Pluck Last edited by Steve Plucker; 12-08-2019 at 08:05 PM. |
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
12-08-2019, 09:31 PM | #3 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
Thanks for your reply--where can I purchase the rivets for the metal strip that holds the windlace in place on the front pillar?
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
|
12-08-2019, 10:05 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Also, the upper windlace piece has a cardboard strip stitched to it. The piece is then fitted under the upper molding that is screwed into place. There is no place to tack it into place as there are metal body structural pieces in the way.
|
12-09-2019, 12:18 AM | #5 | |
BANNED
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
Pluck |
|
12-09-2019, 12:20 AM | #6 | |
BANNED
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA
Posts: 6,066
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
But If I recall right, it has been almost 38 or so years, I used Split Rivets on that area...eaiser to install that way. Pluck |
|
12-09-2019, 06:49 AM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Dahlonega, Ga
Posts: 251
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
I would recommend attaching the metal strip at the front of the door as tight as possible, especially where it curves about midway. If the fit isn’t tight, the door garnish is going to hit it, making the door hard to close. How do I know that, you ask..........!$&’%@.
|
12-09-2019, 06:51 AM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
A semi tubular rivet was originally used. They can be set in tightly.
|
12-09-2019, 09:56 AM | #9 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
Also--how are the corners of the windlace made? Forty-five degree cuts or straight cuts?
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
|
12-09-2019, 03:57 PM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Your corners are straight cuts. Trim your windlace material about 1/2" longer than the tube in your windlace and push it down inside the tube to give yourself a clean end. The verticals should go all the way to the top and your upper piece, with the ends finished the same way, will fit inside the vertical pieces for a clean and tight look.
|
12-09-2019, 09:30 PM | #11 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
Also, the windlace that I have does not have any cardboard attached to it. Any thickness figures on the cardboard? And someone said that the cardboard needs to be sewn onto the windlace--I don't have any upholstery shop near me--so what other option do I have? Superglue LOL!
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
|
12-10-2019, 06:33 AM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Setting the semi tubular rivets is a two person job, one to buck the rivet head, and one to punch and separate the tube end. You don't need to purchase any expensive tools. A pointed end punch should split the tube end and a flat end punch should finish the process. Make sure that you don't use rivets that are too long as they won't tighten.
As for the cardboard strips, they are not thick. They would be about 5/8" wide. I've even made them from cereal boxes! If you have a home sewing machine, you could do them yourself. |
12-10-2019, 06:41 AM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
On your metal retaining moldings, make sure that they fit properly as there are rights and lefts.
|
12-10-2019, 09:57 AM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 16,436
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
I'm not sure if Big Flat's has tube rivet tooling or not. It's mostly used for brake lining rivets but there are a lot of other things that use them too. Each diameter size requires a different setting tool. If you look at the business end of one of these sets, it looks like a mold impression for a tiny doughnut. This shape rolls the edges of the buck tail around to meat the base metal. The rivet tail has to be soft enough to conform to this shape without cracking so many of them are soft annealed brass or copper but they work harden quickly so a person wants to set them with minimal blows or all in one quick squeeze if they use a squeezer.
|
12-19-2019, 09:56 PM | #15 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
I found the instruction sheets from LB (now defunct) please see photos. It says to install the upper windlace first and then install the quarter lock pillar windlace. Install the front windlace last. I'm not quite sure about their comment "Finish bottom ends of pillar windlace pieces even with the floor or bury into the scuff plate" That "bury into the scuff plate" is what I don't understand! The instructions also stated that the upper windlace should be cemented to the bottom of the door opening header after removing the door opening header finish strip (fig. 1) Also, I have attached some photos of the windlace that I have, which came from LB pior to me working on the car. Does the color look about right? The photos look more blue than grey but in looking at them in person they seem more grey than blue. I'd hate to spend a butch of time installing this windlace only to find out that it is wrong.
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
|
12-19-2019, 10:03 PM | #16 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SPRUCE PINE NC
Posts: 446
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Quote:
__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!!! |
|
12-19-2019, 10:51 PM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 1,025
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Google Hills saddlery. I just looked at some 3/8 tube rivets for you. Our local fastener company calls them sex rivets. Worth a look. I used them to attach the tack strips to my Tudor backrests. They were dead on to my originals. Two pieces they thread into one another and no bucking bar needed. One man job for sure.
|
12-20-2019, 08:04 AM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Fred, the windlace that LB sent to you is about as good as you're going to get unless you get something custom made. Go with it and I think you'll be happy with how it looks. As to the LB installing instructions, do whatever you are comfortable with. They are telling you to glue the upper piece to the upper door molding because they did not stitch a cardboard piece to the windlace. I have an original piece with the cardboard piece attached but unable to attach a picture as I am currently in Uruguay.
|
12-20-2019, 08:15 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,486
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
Also, LB's instructions on finishing the bottoms of the vertical pieces is telling you to make sure that you finish them long enough to the subframe or scuff piece. You can cut your verticals longer and then trim the bottoms once in place. Remember to give yourself about 3/4" more fabric than tubing as that will get tucked in the tube to finish your ends.
|
12-20-2019, 10:05 AM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 16,436
|
Re: 29 Tudor windlace question
There are several good threads on windlace on this forum. The rubber tube can be trimmed back so that the material can be stuffed up inside the tubing or it will leave a tail that can be tucked somewhere else or cemented to something.
The stuff LB (Had) was a worsted pattern similar to the pattern in the photos of cloth windlace in the book "The Ford Model A As Henry Built It" There is a thread from a few month back on here that also has photos of original Model A windlace. If SMS Auto Fabrics buys the LB businesses and holdings, perhaps they will attempt to weave some more accurate windlace in the future but that is a big maybe. Right now, you have to use the best you can find. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...indlace&page=2 I'm not sure if they make tubular rivet squeezer sets. If they do, I'll purchase a set of them for my squeezer. A person could make their own on a lathe but it would take a while. Found some! https://www.browntool.com/Listview/t...a/Default.aspx Last edited by rotorwrench; 12-20-2019 at 10:19 AM. |
|
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|