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07-08-2010, 05:10 PM | #1 |
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Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
I've got a 38 car chassis I want to use for my 36 1/2 ton pickup project.
Chassis is very clean, supposedly from a 48k mile California car. Since I'm able to remove just about any bolt without problem, its seems plausible. The engine is stuck, and is a 21 stud. I already have a running 24 stud engine. Is there any value in keeping the 21 stud engine, or should I just let the scrap metal guys take it? And are the transmissions interchangeable between the two engines? Thanks in advance.....and by the way, does anyone want a 21 stud engine, real cheap?
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
if you can get at least scrap price for the flathead, sell it.....as long as there are no visible defects, it's always worth something...and you're saving a flathead...or trying to.....transmission should interchange....rear mounts might be diff, but it will work....good luck....Mike
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
yes, where are ya...if you'd like, I'll pay scrap price if your close to central PA.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
dont scrap it,someone will need it, my avatar is the flatte that came with my "34 from factory.
chp verified for me for when doing the registration because she came out of texas. the number is also on my frame, so i am thinking real hard about souping it up to put back in. rich |
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I'm in the western suburbs of Chicago. I have a running 24 stud, a stuck 24 stud in the 36 pickup right now and the stuck 21 stud in the bare 38 chassis. frame 38 car.jpg So if I want to tinker with rebuilding one, I'll still have a backup to play with. I just don't want to become a huge storehouse of parts I'll never use. Did that enough with the old Mustangs!
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Hay that is a 37 motor, don't scrap it! i would take it but you live to far away
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07-08-2010, 08:58 PM | #8 |
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Don't scrap it! There are lots of guys on here wanting to save it.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
I sent you a private message. I live in the same town and am interested in the motor. Please respond to the PM or email me.
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07-08-2010, 09:06 PM | #10 |
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Somebody near you will want it, so, don't scrap it just yet. post it in the swap meet section. that intake manifold & generator bracket doesn't look stock, hard to tell from the picture.
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Tom, sent you a PM and also email
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The carb doesn't have a top, but the body reads Stromberg 1 1/32 and EE-1 on the base. Its a "48" , apparently off a 34-35 passenger car?
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Someone gave what turned out to be a 37 flathead to me. It had been sitting out for who knows how long. It was stuck; I opened it up and saw a couple of rusty cylinders. Anyhow fast forward a few months and I offer it to a club member who was restoring a 37 pickup. He had given me some carb cores and seemed interested in getting that engine. Turns out the block was cracked, big surprise, but the crank was much better than the one he had!
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
I'm 2 towns over. If Tom isn't interested, I certainly am. I'll send you a pm.
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Sent you a PM. Call me if you want to come over and take a look.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Hey Scott, I would love to get my hands on that motor. I have a 8BA block and crank I would trade you. Im in central Wisconsin. Bruce
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Tom in West Chicago said he will get the engine. He'll be looking at it tomorrow (Sun 7/11).
If he doesn't want it, first call is to Chad in Forest Park, then Bruce in Wisconsin. Thanks for all the replies/advice. I hated the idea of it being scrap metal, but wasn't sure if it had any value, therefor I didn't immediately think of posting in the classifieds.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Thanks Scott. Keep me posted. I'm still interested in the other 24 stud. And actually, it will do me more good than the 21.
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Good to meet you Scott. You've got a nice project going. And thanks for the flatty!
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Chad (Django),
I picked up a copy of Summer 2010 Tradional Rod & Kulture at Borders, the one with your customer's truck on the cover. Cool truck, and nice article! Scott
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
There is a market for the '37-'38 21 stud flathead since it has insert bearings and with two block off plates for the front of the engine (Ford actually made them) you can use it '32 to '36 and run all of the original bolt on parts.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
This is an old thread, but I'm searching for info to educate myself on flatheads. In post #5 above there's a photo of a 21 stud engine with water pumps in the heads. Someone later said it was a '37 engine, but I thought that '37 engines had water pumps in the block, and sometime, if it was a late 21 stud (replacement block) it might have Ford-installed block off plates in the block, but might still retain the pump-in-heads configuration.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
You are correct. A '37-38 engine with earlier heads would utilize the block-off plates at the in-block pump location. This would allow retrofit into a '32-36 model year car.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
I agree with your thinking, 1937 had the water pumps located in the block and block off plates were used to install that engine in earlier models.
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Thank you for the quick replies. I'm glad to find out that I'm actually learning something..
Did either of you perhaps look back at the picture in post number five to verify it's a pre-37 block? Lynn |
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Thank you.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
The reason 37 blocks are popular is you can dress them up to look like an early block, but you no longer have the Babbitt bearings. Sorta like a 36LB, but with water pump options
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
The guy that made the post stated it was a picture of the original engine out of his '34; so it is definitely an early engine.
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
whats scrap today is gold tomorrow so hang on to it even better if you store it properly not just leave it to gather dust in the corner
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Hey, now you have me concerned. My '35 is running a completely restored 21 stud and it's as fine as frogs hair. Should I be worried I have a 21 vs. 24?
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Does it make good oil pressure now? If it does, just keep good clean modern oil in it and enjoy the ride. When properly done it will last a very long time. A flathead in the hands of most of us here on the barn leads a very pampered life compared to what our forefathers put them through. I recently posted a photo of a tandem axle converted '34 1 1/2 ton pulling a huge caterpillar dozer. The trailer it was sitting on must have weighed 10,000 lbs alone. During the rebuilding process an insert bearing engine is easier to deal with and can make for more predictable results.
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>>Should I be worried I have a 21 vs. 24?>>>
Maybe. If my calculations are correct, a 24 has 14.3% more studs than a 21. But a 21 has only 12.5% less studs than a 24. |
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Yes... completely rebuilt and excellent oil pressure,,, so I feel better
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Any value in a 21 bolt? I just paid $5,000 for a run out 32 engine needs complete rebuild.
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A friend has what I think is a '32 big truck as yard art. He has mentioned on 2 occasions that it has a flathead V8 engine in it if I want it. How can I be sure it's a '32 truck, and how can I know if it's a '32 engine?
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Please take a look at page #5 and on, of the Techno-Source link in my "signature" below. It has identifiers for the '32 block Hover mouse over the words, "Techno-source for the 1932 thru 1953 Flathead Ford", then click on the words and the pdf file will open. Glenn
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GB, did you look at the '32 block info?
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Hi Deuce Lover,
I got a note to my email saying the links didn't work for you. When you tried what feedback did you get, error, dead link,..? I just tried opening the link on another computer that I was not logged into. I opened The Barn but did not log in there either. The links opened but you will get a couple of "Sales" boxes that come up which are below. Just close them out as shown. I believe you won't see those two screens again. Please let me know, Glenn
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Glenn,I was able to figure it out.Thanks,Sheldon
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Good, thanks.
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And I wasn't able to figure it out. What little I was able to see gave me at least one solid conclusion. If the water drains point straight down then it's a '32 block. Hoping to get to the guy's place tomorrow or Monday.
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Good luck!
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I have most of a ‘32 engine.....block, crank, cam, rods and pistons, oil pump, generator. Missing heads and intake. Somebody that has a use for it needs to own it....what’s something like that worth?........Mark
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Here's a few pics. Truck looks like a '32 or '33? But the drains are at an angle, so thinking not a '32 block. The alleged '37 is a different guy, different location. Different day. Is the truck a '32?
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Re: Any value in a 21 stud flattie?
Gary, I think you need to talk your friend out of that truck, and add it to your stable.
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I have a couple 21 stud blocks /engines / related parts if anyone is looking. One is complete, drop in ready.
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I think it's sort of important to him and his wife as yard art in front of their farmstand. He offered me the engine and tranny if I wanted to pull it. So, is this a '32?
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You need a glimpse of the firewall. If a separate piece, it is a 32. The motor is not a 32 judging by the angled drain cocks.
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