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johnsor · 11-29-2013, 12:38 PM

Before covering the "A" up for the winter, I was going to change the oil on the 7,000+ mile engine but decided to check the color of the oil on the dipstick first. I was surprised to see the oil level about 2" above the "F" mark on the dipstick, and then shocked to see about a gallon of anti freeze drain out of the pan before the oil. Well, I'll pull the engine and disassemble it carefully to find the cause of the problem. Hopefully it's just a head gasket, but I doubt it as the compression was good in all cylinders and it had been making a metallic noise the past month.

I wonder how I can hide this possible cost from you know who.

CarlG · 11-29-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsor

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I wonder how I can hide this possible cost from you know who.

You buy her a new sewing machine. (works for me!)

modelamotorhead · 11-29-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsor

Before covering the "A" up for the winter, I was going to change the oil on the 7,000+ mile engine but decided to check the color of the oil on the dipstick first. I was surprised to see the oil level about 2" above the "F" mark on the dipstick, and then shocked to see about a gallon of anti freeze drain out of the pan before the oil. Well, I'll pull the engine and disassemble it carefully to find the cause of the problem. Hopefully it's just a head gasket, but I doubt it as the compression was good in all cylinders and it had been making a metallic noise the past month.

I wonder how I can hide this possible cost from you know who.

Borrow "you know who's" credit card to cover the costs. Maybe she won't notice if you used it incrementally....

Sorry to hear the bad news. Hope it is just a head gasket.

johnsor · 11-29-2013, 01:20 PM

She already has three sewing machines and our credit card account is joint. I'll get creative as I always have in the past.

old car guy · 11-29-2013, 01:45 PM

Try a differnt approach just tell her what you found and its got to be fixed. Holler mad maybe, but she all ready knows whats been invested and its got to be repaired. Try the truth its amazing how it works. And you wont be ant worse off anyway. Its worked for me with my wife for 41 yrs sofar .

SDJason · 11-29-2013, 01:48 PM

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Experienced the exact same thing one month ago - turned out the head nuts just needed retorqueing - if you haven't been checking those every so often, might want to try that first and see if it helps - at worse, you'd just be out a couple quarts of oil.

JtownJoe · 11-29-2013, 03:19 PM

I had same experience about a year ago & it was only the head gasket even though I had 100# to 104# compression in all cylinders! I Hope your is the same and that's all it is.

JtownJoe · 11-29-2013, 03:26 PM

Forgot to mention one of the clues (thanks to fellow Ford Barners) to the failed head gasket was the absence of carbon build up in the 3 & 4 spark plug and combustion chamber, even visible thru the plug hole with a flash light.

johnsor · 11-29-2013, 06:36 PM

I think she would be happy with new carpeting. Gosh, I could buy another Model A for what new carpeting will cost. Besides, what's wrong with this carpeting? Especially after 25 years raising a family on it there is much sentimental value to it. I wouldn't throw an old coil away that tested good. (Just some humor to go with the grease under our fingernails)

ctvpa · 11-29-2013, 09:09 PM

Probably head gasket, but while you have the head off, put new oil in the crankcase, coat the cylinders with oil, and run the starter several times, then change the oil again, and run the starter or crank it. With the head off, and no compression it will spin like mad. If you cannot get to this for a few days, take the sparkplugs out, and with the new oil in start spinning it now, try to force that contaminated oil out of the bearings and hiding places. Take the distributor off and put a quart of oil down there to move more contaminated stuff out.
You have to get all that antifreeze/water out of the system. Winter is coming, and ice inside there could really damage things. I had water in mine for about a week, and really caused a lot of problems.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 11-29-2013, 10:27 PM

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I think she would be happy with new carpeting. Gosh, I could buy another Model A for what new carpeting will cost. Besides, what's wrong with this carpeting? Especially after 25 years raising a family on it there is much sentimental value to it. I wouldn't throw an old coil away that tested good. (Just some humor to go with the grease under our fingernails)

Johnsor, Dog hear, Ol' Bill sed he wuldn't even LAY on thet OOOLD shag carpet thet he raised 2 RUG-RATS on (YUUUUK!)
Ol' Bill kuts his fingernails REAL SHORT, (YOWEEE!) & don't have a problem with GREASE under them! (TIP# 117!) Wunce he got green on the pillow frum gear oil in his HAIR I tole him to shave his head He tole me, "+$*#%#@#*%#$#@" (WHUT'S THAT MEAN??) Buster T.

Mike V. Florida · 11-29-2013, 11:46 PM

HEY,

Turn your pants around so the zipper is in the front and just tell her what you are going to do,

Then turn, run, and duck.

Bill Cal. · 11-30-2013, 01:31 PM

Sure hope you pull the head before the engine.

johnsor · 11-30-2013, 01:52 PM

The engine is coming out next week. I won't feel comfortable or trusting until I know everything is good inside. Also I want to know what caused that mechanical noise I heard last summer. Maybe I'm pickey, but it's got to be done right as I take this car on 500 mile trips, so dependability is important.

11-29-2013, 12:38 PM	#1
johnsor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Spooner, Wisconsin Posts: 242	Shocked Before covering the "A" up for the winter, I was going to change the oil on the 7,000+ mile engine but decided to check the color of the oil on the dipstick first. I was surprised to see the oil level about 2" above the "F" mark on the dipstick, and then shocked to see about a gallon of anti freeze drain out of the pan before the oil. Well, I'll pull the engine and disassemble it carefully to find the cause of the problem. Hopefully it's just a head gasket, but I doubt it as the compression was good in all cylinders and it had been making a metallic noise the past month. I wonder how I can hide this possible cost from you know who.

11-29-2013, 01:20 PM	#4
johnsor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Spooner, Wisconsin Posts: 242	Re: Shocked She already has three sewing machines and our credit card account is joint. I'll get creative as I always have in the past.

11-29-2013, 01:45 PM	#5
old car guy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: tampa fl Posts: 194	Re: Shocked Try a differnt approach just tell her what you found and its got to be fixed. Holler mad maybe, but she all ready knows whats been invested and its got to be repaired. Try the truth its amazing how it works. And you wont be ant worse off anyway. Its worked for me with my wife for 41 yrs sofar . __________________ old car guy

11-29-2013, 01:48 PM	#6
SDJason Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 443	Re: Shocked Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Experienced the exact same thing one month ago - turned out the head nuts just needed retorqueing - if you haven't been checking those every so often, might want to try that first and see if it helps - at worse, you'd just be out a couple quarts of oil.

11-29-2013, 03:19 PM	#7
JtownJoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 342	Re: Shocked I had same experience about a year ago & it was only the head gasket even though I had 100# to 104# compression in all cylinders! I Hope your is the same and that's all it is.

11-29-2013, 03:26 PM	#8
JtownJoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 342	Re: Shocked Forgot to mention one of the clues (thanks to fellow Ford Barners) to the failed head gasket was the absence of carbon build up in the 3 & 4 spark plug and combustion chamber, even visible thru the plug hole with a flash light.

11-29-2013, 06:36 PM	#9
johnsor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Spooner, Wisconsin Posts: 242	Re: Shocked I think she would be happy with new carpeting. Gosh, I could buy another Model A for what new carpeting will cost. Besides, what's wrong with this carpeting? Especially after 25 years raising a family on it there is much sentimental value to it. I wouldn't throw an old coil away that tested good. (Just some humor to go with the grease under our fingernails)

11-29-2013, 09:09 PM	#10
ctvpa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 479	Re: Shocked Probably head gasket, but while you have the head off, put new oil in the crankcase, coat the cylinders with oil, and run the starter several times, then change the oil again, and run the starter or crank it. With the head off, and no compression it will spin like mad. If you cannot get to this for a few days, take the sparkplugs out, and with the new oil in start spinning it now, try to force that contaminated oil out of the bearings and hiding places. Take the distributor off and put a quart of oil down there to move more contaminated stuff out. You have to get all that antifreeze/water out of the system. Winter is coming, and ice inside there could really damage things. I had water in mine for about a week, and really caused a lot of problems. Last edited by ctvpa; 11-29-2013 at 09:14 PM.

11-29-2013, 11:46 PM	#12
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Shocked HEY, Turn your pants around so the zipper is in the front and just tell her what you are going to do, Then turn, run, and duck. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

11-30-2013, 01:31 PM	#13
Bill Cal. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 174	Re: Shocked Sure hope you pull the head before the engine.

11-30-2013, 01:52 PM	#14
johnsor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Spooner, Wisconsin Posts: 242	Re: Shocked The engine is coming out next week. I won't feel comfortable or trusting until I know everything is good inside. Also I want to know what caused that mechanical noise I heard last summer. Maybe I'm pickey, but it's got to be done right as I take this car on 500 mile trips, so dependability is important.