07-13-2019, 12:54 PM | #1 |
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Model B engine
I inherited a 1931 deluxe roadster that I'm told has a factory installed model b engine. Could this be true?
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07-13-2019, 01:33 PM | #2 |
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Re: Model B engine
Almost certainly not. But proof would be in the frame to engine numbering.
All Model A's of domestic production have a number on the frame top rail which is about under the driver's left foot as he drives. Covered by the body, a body removal is necessary to confirm this number. The engines and frames were numbered the same from the factory on the assembly line. If yours is indeed a "factory B" then this would be the case. Joe K
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07-13-2019, 02:54 PM | #3 |
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Re: Model B engine
Post the engine number and someone will give the production date.
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07-13-2019, 03:32 PM | #4 |
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Re: Model B engine
Ford Dagenham [ Gt Britain] did produce AA Trucks after 1931 [ maybe up to 1936] with the BB engine in AA chassis.
Other than these commercials, no B engines would have gone into an A chassis ; would not have been set up for on the production line in US. Ford was producing the B engine in late '31 & stockpiling for the yet to be released Model B [ April 1932]. |
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Re: Model B engine
Also,the B engine blocks were not stamped.(USA anyway) The flywheel housing was stamped.I had an A with a B engine,it had the 1930 frame number stamped on it.Those pads were bare from the factory.Seeing how there was a huge surplus of engines at the year end of 1931 it would be pretty much out of the question that an A came with a B engine.A picture of the right,(carb side) of the engine would answer at least one question.
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There are a few more "ground down" Model A engines down there. Probably most of the above have been re-marked somehow, either in a frame number (hard to tell from original), a vendor number, or the birthdate of the owner. There are less Model B engines of either of these ilk, with the smallest number of any a re-marked Model B. But no doubt on what you say. An owner might have possibly secured an unmarked, unground Model B engine, had it appropriately made to match his chassis assuming he could access and ascertain the chassis number, and incorporated it into his car simply to claim "I have a factory original Model B engine." However, I expect you will think this remote. Most in the 1930s & 40s who sought a replacement engine would seek out a Model B and slap it in as a "better" engine than original. Engines were cheap, labor to even change out shims was expensive, and an engine could be bought and swapped cheaper than doing a shim job right. It makes for interesting sales copy or bragging right to claim it "original." And given the oral histories that accumulate upon automobiles, I can certainly agree to the claim with a "How do you know this?" And not to then dispute the claim no matter the reason given. Sometimes you just go with the flow. Joe K
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Re: Model B engine
And if it is a B engine it will have a spot for the fuel pump on passenger side.
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07-16-2019, 02:44 PM | #10 |
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Re: Model B engine
I checked and there is a provision plate for a fuel pump on the right side. The frame # A4666273 It has 3 bolts on the water pump. I have owned it for 5 years. My wife's uncle had it garaged stored for 58 years and purchased it from an individual who's father had it barn stored for 20+ years. It had 5,106 miles on a sealed odometer. When it was serviced it's crankshaft was a model b.
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Ah - but what is the number on the motor?
You have two choices for location. The Model A location above the water inlet, or on the top of the flywheel housing. Vince Falter has much to say on Model B. http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm#C6 Quote:
Take a look at all of Vince's page. Numbering varied between countries and times. Joe K
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Re: Model B engine
Up until the electronic/computer age^& especially in the '30's, for Ford the engine number was the serial number of the car, what we now call 'vin'. If the car had a B engine installed new, the number on flywheel housing or maybe on the block, will have to match the chassis number.
As mentioned above, Vince Falters Fordgarage site has the best info on identifying B engines. Cheers. |
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A4666273 is a May 1931 engine number and the first B number is Nov 1931.
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07-16-2019, 10:25 PM | #14 |
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Re: Model B engine
The block/water inlet area is stamped with 72947
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My guess is it has a small diamond by the timing cover and is a diamond block replacement motor. I believe it was very common to stamp the model number on the replacement motor. I have two model B diamond blocks. Both are stamped with A or AA model numbers.
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Sounds like the date the engine was installed, 7-29-47
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Re: Model B engine
A friend has a '31 widebed produced in and registered as a '32. It has an A engine.
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So what kind of flywheel housing do you have? If it is the Model B housing it will have a number on top, or possibly be blank.
Model B Housing - Note the script Ford which is plainly seen next to the starter motor. Other differences on the oil pan, too. If it is an A-housing, then the Jury is DEFINITELY out on break. Model A Housing - note no script and a full diameter housing. Joe K
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Re: Model B engine
Be cautious trying to identify the motor by the housing.
Many "B" motors have been placed in "A" vehicles using the "A" housing. Fuel pump boss and oil return tube is most reliable identity, besides opening it up and measuring the crank & rods. John
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