The Ford Barn

klawockvet · 12-06-2017, 05:34 PM

I believe this guy had an ad in the classified awhile back but I can't find it now. I have held off reporting this but its finally time. I really hated doing this but I'm out $200.00 that I can't recover. I bought a clock from this guy and after installing it I found it didn't work. I called him and he said to send it back, which I did. That was back in May. He finally responded to my emails and said he didn't know it was mine. Said he would fix it and send it back. Then after months of sending messages he finally said it would be "shipping tomorrow" That was in the middle of November. Now its Dec 6 and no clock. I've emailed twice since then and no reply. I called the number on his website but the message says the mailbox is full. Proceed with caution when dealing with him.

Ford Freak · 12-06-2017, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the heads-up ! - FF

Randy in ca · 12-06-2017, 06:37 PM

His handle is jcs200. Had lots of ads at one time but hasn't been on Fordbarn since July 2016. His webpage says he's an architect working part time at clocks and trying to sell the business. I've had no personal experience with him.

skidmarks · 12-06-2017, 07:04 PM

Is He in Colorado?

klawockvet · 12-06-2017, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidmarks

Is He in Colorado?

Yes, around Denver

skidmarks · 12-06-2017, 08:15 PM

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When i was dealing with a 40 ford clock needing rebuilt, i was warned not to deal with a guy named smith in Colorado so it must be the same guy. This was a few years ago. Sorry to hear about your problems and i guess mentioning this now is a little too late.

klawockvet · 12-17-2017, 10:33 AM

Finally got the guy on the phone at night. He agreed to refund payment. Next day got an email that I had never paid for it so wouldn't be refunding anything. He went through this before and I sent him a copy of his invoice. He responded that it was only an invoice and he had shipped it without me paying for it. Then I sent him a copy of the Paypal payment. He finally agreed to refund via Paypal and he has now done that. Dealing with this guy is real PITA.

19Fordy · 12-17-2017, 10:56 AM

WOW! Why are some folks so dishonest? CARMA will get them.

Ford Freak · 12-17-2017, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

WOW! Why are some folks so dishonest? CARMA will get them.

Yes , I agree , as I have seen it many times !!

JM 35 Sedan · 12-17-2017, 02:33 PM

Should spread the word to other old car forums about the dishonesty of this guy.

J Franklin · 12-17-2017, 03:29 PM

He did make a refund, although it did take some prodding. A real dishonest person wouldn't have done so.

deuce_roadster · 12-17-2017, 04:47 PM

"He did make a refund, although it did take some prodding. A real dishonest person wouldn't have done so. "
I disagree, an honest person would have refunded the money without fighting the customer for months.

J Franklin · 12-17-2017, 07:35 PM

Listen to both sides before judgment. Maybe there is a true misunderstanding somehow. Illness, bookkeeping, or memory may have played a part, maybe not. I wouldn't use this watch repairer without careful vetting either.

Kahuna · 12-17-2017, 08:31 PM

I'm with Deuce Roadster on this one

A bones · 12-18-2017, 03:28 AM

Either way you slice it, he is not worth the trouble. This is not an isolated incident.

TuscanS · 02-17-2020, 12:54 PM

I unfortunately came across this guy early this year, very similar story, stay well away.

Sal · 02-17-2020, 03:55 PM

Some day he'll run into a Louisville slugger. I hate crooks. I had to deal with a guy a few years back that charged me money up front to make a small glass piece for some thing I was restoring for my car. It took 2 years of e-mailing and calling before this guy sent me the part. I was getting ready to pay him a visit up in Cleveland with my friend Louie.

tubman · 02-17-2020, 05:47 PM

Everybody needs a friend named "Louie". I have several. It's even better to have one named "Carmine".

TomT/Williamsburg · 02-17-2020, 08:10 PM

Where I come from he’s called, “Uncle Vito” - he is one in the same I am sure .....

cmbrucew · 02-17-2020, 08:58 PM

Mine was named Gino.
The bad guy was shaking in his boots. He couldn't pay me fast enough.
Geno said he haden't had that much fun for years.
Bruce

Lanny · 02-17-2020, 09:38 PM

It's for times like this where you just need a friend like Rocko
to just go over and talk to the culprit...

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Brian · 02-17-2020, 10:33 PM

Sorry to hear he's dicked you around so much....I bought a clock off of him some years back and had a great transaction.

elturo · 05-28-2020, 08:11 AM

Wish I would have seen this thread before I sent him a deposit and. He also requested I send him my glove box door to confirm the clock bezel would fit correct. 6 mo later and several phone calls and e-mails, no word, no reply no clock, no nada. He can keep the $100 deposit, I just want my glove box door back ! They're hard to find !

Vics Stuff · 05-28-2020, 10:26 AM

My name must be Loui ! I have had to track a few guys down over the years and meet them face to face. All these face to face encounters are guys who are real pu --ys when it comes to face to face reality. When they are at home hiding behind the keyboard they are real tough guys but when confronted face to face their attitude changes like a light switch . I can tell you that if I fly from Alaska to somewhere to face some scammer it is not going to be a pretty sight , have done and will do if the situation arises.
Vic

Jeff/Illinois · 05-28-2020, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elturo

Wish I would have seen this thread before I sent him a deposit and. He also requested I send him my glove box door to confirm the clock bezel would fit correct. 6 mo later and several phone calls and e-mails, no word, no reply no clock, no nada. He can keep the $100 deposit, I just want my glove box door back ! They're hard to find !

No doubt he has sold it already.

elturo · 06-11-2020, 10:31 AM

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Ripping someone off for $100. Really? I don't get it. He can keep it. I just want my glove box door back! I have his address as 7471 E. 29th ave Denver, CO. He go's by Smiths LLC Architects. I've tried his phone (303)534-0123. Of course no answer and voice mail is full. This will catch up to him. It's just a matter of time.

51woodie · 06-11-2020, 11:32 AM

This fellow must be working out of his apartment, or the icecream shop on the main floor. Check the address on Google Maps, street view. I often do this when I am checking out a potential seller, or even if I am driving to some place I am not familiar with, so I have some semblance of orientation to where I am going.

elturo · 08-12-2020, 08:48 AM

To be fair... Jim @ Smiths' Classic Car Clocks just refunded my $100 deposit and sent back my glove box door. It did take some prodding. I had sent my deposit Oct 2019.

Aarongriffey · 08-12-2020, 08:38 PM

Hold on a few minutes. I have a couple of friends that just love to watch me beat hell out of guys slightly bigger than I am.

Thanks for warning us about this guy.
Clock work around hear is $300. Anybody less expense should easily get plenty of business.
Since I get all my early Ford parts from C&G I just call them n ask em where to go.

12-06-2017, 05:34 PM	#1
klawockvet Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Klawock, AK/Kanab, UT Posts: 301	BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud I believe this guy had an ad in the classified awhile back but I can't find it now. I have held off reporting this but its finally time. I really hated doing this but I'm out $200.00 that I can't recover. I bought a clock from this guy and after installing it I found it didn't work. I called him and he said to send it back, which I did. That was back in May. He finally responded to my emails and said he didn't know it was mine. Said he would fix it and send it back. Then after months of sending messages he finally said it would be "shipping tomorrow" That was in the middle of November. Now its Dec 6 and no clock. I've emailed twice since then and no reply. I called the number on his website but the message says the mailbox is full. Proceed with caution when dealing with him.

12-06-2017, 06:24 PM	#2
Ford Freak Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pittsford NY. USA Posts: 1,096	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Thanks for the heads-up ! - FF

12-06-2017, 06:37 PM	#3
Randy in ca Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,646	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud His handle is jcs200. Had lots of ads at one time but hasn't been on Fordbarn since July 2016. His webpage says he's an architect working part time at clocks and trying to sell the business. I've had no personal experience with him.

12-06-2017, 07:04 PM	#4
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Is He in Colorado?

12-06-2017, 08:15 PM	#6
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) When i was dealing with a 40 ford clock needing rebuilt, i was warned not to deal with a guy named smith in Colorado so it must be the same guy. This was a few years ago. Sorry to hear about your problems and i guess mentioning this now is a little too late.

12-17-2017, 10:33 AM	#7
klawockvet Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Klawock, AK/Kanab, UT Posts: 301	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Finally got the guy on the phone at night. He agreed to refund payment. Next day got an email that I had never paid for it so wouldn't be refunding anything. He went through this before and I sent him a copy of his invoice. He responded that it was only an invoice and he had shipped it without me paying for it. Then I sent him a copy of the Paypal payment. He finally agreed to refund via Paypal and he has now done that. Dealing with this guy is real PITA.

12-17-2017, 10:56 AM	#8
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud WOW! Why are some folks so dishonest? CARMA will get them.

12-17-2017, 02:33 PM	#10
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Should spread the word to other old car forums about the dishonesty of this guy. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

12-17-2017, 03:29 PM	#11
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud He did make a refund, although it did take some prodding. A real dishonest person wouldn't have done so. Last edited by J Franklin; 12-17-2017 at 03:29 PM. Reason: added a comma

12-17-2017, 04:47 PM	#12
deuce_roadster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shelton, WA Posts: 3,800	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud "He did make a refund, although it did take some prodding. A real dishonest person wouldn't have done so. " I disagree, an honest person would have refunded the money without fighting the customer for months.

12-17-2017, 07:35 PM	#13
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Listen to both sides before judgment. Maybe there is a true misunderstanding somehow. Illness, bookkeeping, or memory may have played a part, maybe not. I wouldn't use this watch repairer without careful vetting either.

12-17-2017, 08:31 PM	#14
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud I'm with Deuce Roadster on this one

12-18-2017, 03:28 AM	#15
A bones Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: CLAYTON DE Posts: 1,283	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Either way you slice it, he is not worth the trouble. This is not an isolated incident. __________________ Enjoy yer day. Tom Hate can't fix what it started.

02-17-2020, 12:54 PM	#16
TuscanS Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Woking England Posts: 10	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud I unfortunately came across this guy early this year, very similar story, stay well away.

02-17-2020, 03:55 PM	#17
Sal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Some day he'll run into a Louisville slugger. I hate crooks. I had to deal with a guy a few years back that charged me money up front to make a small glass piece for some thing I was restoring for my car. It took 2 years of e-mailing and calling before this guy sent me the part. I was getting ready to pay him a visit up in Cleveland with my friend Louie.

02-17-2020, 05:47 PM	#18
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Everybody needs a friend named "Louie". I have several. It's even better to have one named "Carmine".

02-17-2020, 08:10 PM	#19
TomT/Williamsburg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Williamsburg, Virginia Posts: 2,654	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Where I come from he’s called, “Uncle Vito” - he is one in the same I am sure ..... __________________ Run to the LA Roadster Show - 2016 My Run to Bonneville - 2013 My 32 5-Window Build My Run to the LSRU

02-17-2020, 08:58 PM	#20
cmbrucew Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North of sandy ago, CA. Posts: 2,064	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Mine was named Gino. The bad guy was shaking in his boots. He couldn't pay me fast enough. Geno said he haden't had that much fun for years. Bruce __________________ Works good Lasts long time

02-17-2020, 10:33 PM	#22
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Sorry to hear he's dicked you around so much....I bought a clock off of him some years back and had a great transaction. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

05-28-2020, 08:11 AM	#23
elturo Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: So.Okla Posts: 81	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Wish I would have seen this thread before I sent him a deposit and. He also requested I send him my glove box door to confirm the clock bezel would fit correct. 6 mo later and several phone calls and e-mails, no word, no reply no clock, no nada. He can keep the $100 deposit, I just want my glove box door back ! They're hard to find !

05-28-2020, 10:26 AM	#24
Vics Stuff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Reno Nevada Posts: 391	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud My name must be Loui ! I have had to track a few guys down over the years and meet them face to face. All these face to face encounters are guys who are real pu --ys when it comes to face to face reality. When they are at home hiding behind the keyboard they are real tough guys but when confronted face to face their attitude changes like a light switch . I can tell you that if I fly from Alaska to somewhere to face some scammer it is not going to be a pretty sight , have done and will do if the situation arises. Vic

06-11-2020, 10:31 AM	#26
elturo Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: So.Okla Posts: 81	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ripping someone off for $100. Really? I don't get it. He can keep it. I just want my glove box door back! I have his address as 7471 E. 29th ave Denver, CO. He go's by Smiths LLC Architects. I've tried his phone (303)534-0123. Of course no answer and voice mail is full. This will catch up to him. It's just a matter of time.

06-11-2020, 11:32 AM	#27
51woodie Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Chelmsford, ON Canada Posts: 529	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud This fellow must be working out of his apartment, or the icecream shop on the main floor. Check the address on Google Maps, street view. I often do this when I am checking out a potential seller, or even if I am driving to some place I am not familiar with, so I have some semblance of orientation to where I am going.

08-12-2020, 08:48 AM	#28
elturo Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: So.Okla Posts: 81	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud To be fair... Jim @ Smiths' Classic Car Clocks just refunded my $100 deposit and sent back my glove box door. It did take some prodding. I had sent my deposit Oct 2019.

08-12-2020, 08:38 PM	#29
Aarongriffey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Hayward,CA Posts: 513	Re: BEWARE Smiths classic car clocks/Fraud Hold on a few minutes. I have a couple of friends that just love to watch me beat hell out of guys slightly bigger than I am. Thanks for warning us about this guy. Clock work around hear is $300. Anybody less expense should easily get plenty of business. Since I get all my early Ford parts from C&G I just call them n ask em where to go.